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Generic ATF+4 #4655552
02/04/18 07:52 AM
02/04/18 07:52 AM
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Australia
supercity Offline OP
supercity  Offline OP
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Australia
As far as I can tell, there are no ATF+4 licenced lubes available in Australia other than genuine and I'm not even going to bother asking for a price.
Most local marketers here recommend their multivehicle lubes for ATF+4, these are typically synthetic recommended for Dex/Mercon, Mercon V, MV, T-IV, SP-III etc. I've used one in a T-IV application with good results. I'm thinking about using the same in a 6 speed Dodge Journey. Any experiences?

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655563
02/04/18 08:00 AM
02/04/18 08:00 AM
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Oshawa, Ontario Canada
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Oshawa, Ontario Canada
I have a Dodge Grand Caravan. This is my first vehicle using an ATF+4.

In other vehicles I've used a multivehicle ATF like Maxlife ATF or Mobil 1 ATF, with good results.

However, with the Caravan I will only be using an ATF+4. IMO these transmissions are too finicky. I've also read that the old Dodge/Chrysler Trannys had failures when people used the wrong fluids in them.


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Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655566
02/04/18 08:01 AM
02/04/18 08:01 AM
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Compatibility seems to be hit-or-miss with the MV ATFs and Chrysler transmissions. To be safe, I'd stick with ATF+4.


"Think of all the Ford owners who will someday want an automobile." John Dodge

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655591
02/04/18 08:23 AM
02/04/18 08:23 AM
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Malaysia
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Malaysia
I'm afraid MV ATF may not be suitable in applications calling for ATF+4.

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655607
02/04/18 08:44 AM
02/04/18 08:44 AM
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Indiana
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Indiana
Australian Amazon?

Certainly the dealer could hook you up with some bulk?

I wouldn't run a non ATF+4 fluid.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655653
02/04/18 09:36 AM
02/04/18 09:36 AM
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NoVA
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NoVA
What year is your Dodge Journey? There are 2 6 speed autos that came in those. Chrysler has a lot of transmissions. Many are not Chrysler trans but others with their name on it so the Mutli vehicle syn fluids work ok in those.

Like the NAG1 is a Mercedes 722.6 and Valvoline maxlife works fine in those for example.


If yours has the 62TE then I would use a fluid that meets ATF+4. Those are picky.
If you have the Getrag Mps6 DCT those I don;t think take ATF+4 but a different dual-clutch manual fluid.


yup
Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655670
02/04/18 09:50 AM
02/04/18 09:50 AM
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Lima, Ohio, USA
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Lima, Ohio, USA
here is the official licensed list:
http://www.centerforqa.com/chrysler-brands-print/

many of the brands are indicated as "global" do any of those ring a bell?


Mine:
09 Mercury Sable : 6qts AutoQuest(Meijer/Warren) 0w20, WIX 51516
Mine to Maintain:
03 Pontiac Vibe : 4.5qts VWB 5w30,WIX 51394
Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655684
02/04/18 10:05 AM
02/04/18 10:05 AM
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Lima, Ohio, USA
earlyre Offline
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huh...even on the Castrol Australia site, for that car, and it's fiat twin, under transmission it just says refer to dealer..


Mine:
09 Mercury Sable : 6qts AutoQuest(Meijer/Warren) 0w20, WIX 51516
Mine to Maintain:
03 Pontiac Vibe : 4.5qts VWB 5w30,WIX 51394
Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: zrxkawboy] #4655700
02/04/18 10:19 AM
02/04/18 10:19 AM
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northern NY
Driz Offline
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northern NY
Originally Posted By: zrxkawboy
Compatibility seems to be hit-or-miss with the MV ATFs and Chrysler transmissions. To be safe, I'd stick with ATF+4.


Yea, you dump any Dextron3 in there and itíll very soon be shifting funny and you will be doing it all over again . Just donít do it . The higher grades may be compatible though but make sure because Chryslerís trannyís are fussy...

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655705
02/04/18 10:26 AM
02/04/18 10:26 AM
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Posts: 2,684
South Carolina
bmwtechguy Offline
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South Carolina
I have had very good success in 4 speed Dodge FWD with Amsoil universal ATF. But the newer 6 speeds, I have no experience, and the cost might be as high as dealer fluids there? I think Redline makes a Chrysler-specific ATF+4 fluid.

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655707
02/04/18 10:27 AM
02/04/18 10:27 AM
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Sask, Canada
BrianF Offline
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Sask, Canada
I used a PAO based fluid that was "suitable for use" with ATF+4 in my 2011 Ram 1500 with the 545RFE. It ran just as good as the factory fill while heavily loaded and unloaded.

I realized that the transmission did not care one bit.


2006 Trailblazer LT. QSUD with Fram Ultra.
2017 Ram 3500 SLT Megacab. Duron SHP 10w30 with Hastings LF608.
1993 GMC 1500. QSAD with Fram PH5
Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655718
02/04/18 10:33 AM
02/04/18 10:33 AM
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Central Maryland
HangFire Offline
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Central Maryland
Originally Posted By: supercity
As far as I can tell, there are no ATF+4 licenced lubes available in Australia other than genuine and I'm not even going to bother asking for a price.
Most local marketers here recommend their multivehicle lubes for ATF+4, these are typically synthetic recommended for Dex/Mercon, Mercon V, MV, T-IV, SP-III etc. I've used one in a T-IV application with good results. I'm thinking about using the same in a 6 speed Dodge Journey. Any experiences?


It might help to actually list what else is available, give some links, etc.


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Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4655962
02/04/18 01:56 PM
02/04/18 01:56 PM
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Posts: 7,329
USA
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USA
If you can get Red Line C+ in Australia, go with that. Even though it's not licensed, the C+ is by far the best ATF for transmissions calling for ATF+4. It uses the same add pack as licensed ATF+4, but with a Group V ester base stock (which is why Chrysler won't license it--they are way to strict about the group III they require)

Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4656445
02/04/18 10:26 PM
02/04/18 10:26 PM
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FT Hood TX
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FT Hood TX
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
If you can get Red Line C+ in Australia, go with that. Even though it's not licensed, the C+ is by far the best ATF for transmissions calling for ATF+4. It uses the same add pack as licensed ATF+4, but with a Group V ester base stock (which is why Chrysler won't license it--they are way to strict about the group III they require)



I don't believe it's ester based. It has been confirmed thier motor oils are only 10% ester. I would not have concerns using it but it would have to be price competitive for me to use it.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity] #4657389
02/05/18 07:53 PM
02/05/18 07:53 PM
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Georgia
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Georgia
I do not own any Chrysler products, nor have I used Redline C+, but I have used Redline D4 and it is the best "butt dyno" transmission fluid I have ever used.


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto (Sold) 214k mi
2009 Scion tC Manual (Daily Driver) 165k mi
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