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#4655552 - 02/04/18 07:52 AM Generic ATF+4
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
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Loc: Australia
As far as I can tell, there are no ATF+4 licenced lubes available in Australia other than genuine and I'm not even going to bother asking for a price.
Most local marketers here recommend their multivehicle lubes for ATF+4, these are typically synthetic recommended for Dex/Mercon, Mercon V, MV, T-IV, SP-III etc. I've used one in a T-IV application with good results. I'm thinking about using the same in a 6 speed Dodge Journey. Any experiences?

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#4655563 - 02/04/18 08:00 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
JC1 Offline


Registered: 11/29/08
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Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
I have a Dodge Grand Caravan. This is my first vehicle using an ATF+4.

In other vehicles I've used a multivehicle ATF like Maxlife ATF or Mobil 1 ATF, with good results.

However, with the Caravan I will only be using an ATF+4. IMO these transmissions are too finicky. I've also read that the old Dodge/Chrysler Trannys had failures when people used the wrong fluids in them.
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#4655566 - 02/04/18 08:01 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
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Registered: 11/30/04
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Loc: SD
Compatibility seems to be hit-or-miss with the MV ATFs and Chrysler transmissions. To be safe, I'd stick with ATF+4.
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#4655591 - 02/04/18 08:23 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
zeng Offline


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 2189
Loc: Malaysia
I'm afraid MV ATF may not be suitable in applications calling for ATF+4.

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#4655607 - 02/04/18 08:44 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10058
Loc: Indiana
Australian Amazon?

Certainly the dealer could hook you up with some bulk?

I wouldn't run a non ATF+4 fluid.
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#4655653 - 02/04/18 09:36 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
Jimzz Offline


Registered: 10/03/14
Posts: 1148
Loc: NoVA
What year is your Dodge Journey? There are 2 6 speed autos that came in those. Chrysler has a lot of transmissions. Many are not Chrysler trans but others with their name on it so the Mutli vehicle syn fluids work ok in those.

Like the NAG1 is a Mercedes 722.6 and Valvoline maxlife works fine in those for example.


If yours has the 62TE then I would use a fluid that meets ATF+4. Those are picky.
If you have the Getrag Mps6 DCT those I don;t think take ATF+4 but a different dual-clutch manual fluid.
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#4655670 - 02/04/18 09:50 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
earlyre Offline


Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 3866
Loc: Lima, Ohio, USA
here is the official licensed list:
http://www.centerforqa.com/chrysler-brands-print/

many of the brands are indicated as "global" do any of those ring a bell?
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#4655684 - 02/04/18 10:05 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
earlyre Offline


Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 3866
Loc: Lima, Ohio, USA
huh...even on the Castrol Australia site, for that car, and it's fiat twin, under transmission it just says refer to dealer..
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#4655700 - 02/04/18 10:19 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: zrxkawboy]
Driz Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 261
Loc: northern NY
Originally Posted By: zrxkawboy
Compatibility seems to be hit-or-miss with the MV ATFs and Chrysler transmissions. To be safe, I'd stick with ATF+4.


Yea, you dump any Dextron3 in there and itíll very soon be shifting funny and you will be doing it all over again . Just donít do it . The higher grades may be compatible though but make sure because Chryslerís trannyís are fussy...

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#4655705 - 02/04/18 10:26 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
bmwtechguy Offline


Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 2676
Loc: South Carolina
I have had very good success in 4 speed Dodge FWD with Amsoil universal ATF. But the newer 6 speeds, I have no experience, and the cost might be as high as dealer fluids there? I think Redline makes a Chrysler-specific ATF+4 fluid.

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#4655707 - 02/04/18 10:27 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
BrianF Offline


Registered: 02/25/15
Posts: 552
Loc: Sask, Canada
I used a PAO based fluid that was "suitable for use" with ATF+4 in my 2011 Ram 1500 with the 545RFE. It ran just as good as the factory fill while heavily loaded and unloaded.

I realized that the transmission did not care one bit.
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#4655718 - 02/04/18 10:33 AM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
HangFire Offline


Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 2506
Loc: Central Maryland
Originally Posted By: supercity
As far as I can tell, there are no ATF+4 licenced lubes available in Australia other than genuine and I'm not even going to bother asking for a price.
Most local marketers here recommend their multivehicle lubes for ATF+4, these are typically synthetic recommended for Dex/Mercon, Mercon V, MV, T-IV, SP-III etc. I've used one in a T-IV application with good results. I'm thinking about using the same in a 6 speed Dodge Journey. Any experiences?


It might help to actually list what else is available, give some links, etc.
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#4655962 - 02/04/18 01:56 PM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
slacktide_bitog Online   content


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6182
Loc: USA
If you can get Red Line C+ in Australia, go with that. Even though it's not licensed, the C+ is by far the best ATF for transmissions calling for ATF+4. It uses the same add pack as licensed ATF+4, but with a Group V ester base stock (which is why Chrysler won't license it--they are way to strict about the group III they require)

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#4656445 - 02/04/18 10:26 PM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: slacktide_bitog]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8675
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
If you can get Red Line C+ in Australia, go with that. Even though it's not licensed, the C+ is by far the best ATF for transmissions calling for ATF+4. It uses the same add pack as licensed ATF+4, but with a Group V ester base stock (which is why Chrysler won't license it--they are way to strict about the group III they require)



I don't believe it's ester based. It has been confirmed thier motor oils are only 10% ester. I would not have concerns using it but it would have to be price competitive for me to use it.
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#4657389 - 02/05/18 07:53 PM Re: Generic ATF+4 [Re: supercity]
Charlie2015 Offline


Registered: 04/24/15
Posts: 243
Loc: Georgia
I do not own any Chrysler products, nor have I used Redline C+, but I have used Redline D4 and it is the best "butt dyno" transmission fluid I have ever used.
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