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Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? #4655102
02/03/18 05:59 PM
02/03/18 05:59 PM
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Pajero Offline OP
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While perusing BITOG, I had a eureka moment. I've never seen a Chinese brand motor oil on these forums, from recent memory. Most of us have purchased various motor oils from Europe and Japan. Here is a link of Chinese Motor Oil Products , with a search from google. Just a thought!

Any experiences with Chinese Motor oil?



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Pajero!


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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655122
02/03/18 06:40 PM
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I've seen a b double trailer running around with sinopec branding on it, so for this post I'll talk about them. Never heard of anyone using it but I'd wager their current target market at least in aus is farmers and commercial users as the price would almost certainly be lower than most western companies.

As for their quality I'm sure they're fine. It wouldn't be terribly hard to make a decent oil from scratch, or even if they licence a formula from another company.

As for would i use it? No. Sinopec is a subsidiary of a state owned company, and I'd rather not give money to a government who actively despises every country around them (including australia).

Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655133
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We get Sinopec here, it doesn't say made in China, I think it's Indonesian.


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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655188
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2015_PSD had VOA for a Sinopec.

Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655239
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i'm loving the rather Engrish/Chinesium name of this product:



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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655262
02/03/18 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pajero
While perusing BITOG, I had a eureka moment. I've never seen a Chinese brand motor oil on these forums, from recent memory. Most of us have purchased various motor oils from Europe and Japan. Here is a link of Chinese Motor Oil Products , with a search from google. Just a thought!

Any experiences with Chinese Motor oil?



Respectfully,

Pajero!


You;ve not been perusing carefully enough. I just posted such an experience. (Though its Little China, not Big China) so that would be an (elathoman) moment, used a lot to mean “it escaped my notice.”

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4654459/Re:_About_oil_change_once_a_ye#Post4654459

CPC is the Taiwan state refining operation. CNPC is the mainland China equivalent. No experience with their stuff and don't want any.

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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655282
02/03/18 09:35 PM
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I will purchase a proven product , And I try to avoid made in china as possible. pay some one to work or pay them welfare benefits. I have my preferences.


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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655319
02/03/18 10:17 PM
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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Ducked] #4655368
02/03/18 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ducked


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crzy


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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655457
02/04/18 02:57 AM
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It might surprise you to know that the Chinese take their oil formulation extremely seriously.

They have invested heavily in bang up-to-date base oil capacity & have their own domestic additive & VII supply. They also have their own modern test houses which are on a par with what you could find in the rest of the world. It's strange that the Chinese consumer sees foreign, imported oils as being 'better' than 'bad' domestically produced oils when as often as not, the domestic oil is 'over-formulated' (in a good way) by virtue of traditional Chinese conservatism.

One other feature worthy of note is that the Chinese oil companies, unlike their western counterparts, still tend to 'self-formulate' their own oils from scratch (as opposed to relying on the AddCo's to do the bulk of the formulation heavy lifting). To my mind, this makes them more 'invested' in the products they supply and removes the temptation to shave everything to the bone and cut corners on testing.

Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: daves87rs] #4655473
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crzy yourself

My "CNPC is the mainland China equivalent. No experience with their stuff and don't want any." was political predjudice and nothing to do with their oil quality, which is probably fine.

Likewise the CPC stuff here seems to be fine, but there are quite a lot of unknown private labels here (don't know if that applies to mainland China but I'd doubt it) that I'd have reservations about.

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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: SonofJoe] #4655481
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Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
It might surprise you to know that the Chinese take their oil formulation extremely seriously.

They have invested heavily in bang up-to-date base oil capacity & have their own domestic additive & VII supply....

I would speculate they use 100% made-in-China lubricants in their 'space' and high-speed-rail industries,among others...

Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: zeng] #4655490
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
It might surprise you to know that the Chinese take their oil formulation extremely seriously.

They have invested heavily in bang up-to-date base oil capacity & have their own domestic additive & VII supply....

I would speculate they use 100% made-in-China lubricants in their 'space' and high-speed-rail industries,among others...


I suspect you're correct. One thing I've noticed about the Chinese (both mainland and Taiwanese) is that they really know how to throw resource at specific problems. I think it also helps if you're obsessed with 'catching-up' as it's a great people motivator.

On the subject of base oils, I once played around with with some Group II stocks from Formosa Plastics (think these originated from Taiwan). Stonking good they were! Probably the best Group IIs you could possibly make before crossing over into Group III territory.

Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: Pajero] #4655823
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Working in metallurgical analysis, some Chinese steels have been very good while others have been shockingly bad. Once a pressure vessel exploded and I was asked to look into the steels used. The bolts clearly specified as 316, and marked as 316 stainless steel, were in fact absolute rubbish steel. They contained no chromium as 316 should and had way too much manganese in them. The bolt markings and the bolt analysis were so far apart that it wasn't just bad quality control, it was complete fraud. It could have cost a life but luckily nobody was near when the failure happened.

I'm sure the original bolts sent for inspection to win the contract were perfect and of the correct alloy.


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Re: Never hear about Chinese brand motor oil? [Re: SR5] #4655862
02/04/18 01:20 PM
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Rio Rancho, NM
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Working in metallurgical analysis, some Chinese steels have been very good while others have been shockingly bad. Once a pressure vessel exploded and I was asked to look into the steels used. The bolts clearly specified as 316, and marked as 316 stainless steel, were in fact absolute rubbish steel. They contained no chromium as 316 should and had way too much manganese in them. The bolt markings and the bolt analysis were so far apart that it wasn't just bad quality control, it was complete fraud. It could have cost a life but luckily nobody was near when the failure happened.

I'm sure the original bolts sent for inspection to win the contract were perfect and of the correct alloy.


*I had several close relatives that worked at Avondale Shipyard in LA. They had the U.S. Navy Contracts. Relatives stated that the shipyard used substandard bolts and painted them to look stainless steel. You would think that our children in uniform get the best. They get the lowest bidder! If you complained, you were fired. The inspectors knew what was taking place and were paid to keep quiet. Very very sad.......



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