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Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 #4654752
02/03/18 12:08 PM
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Cincinnati, OH, USA
bullwinkle Offline OP
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Here is the Tough Guard off my brother's '07 Corolla-it was used for roughly 6 months, including some of the colder winter weather we've had around here for a while. Held up well, pleats a little funky by the seam, rest of it was perfect. Went with PP 5W30 and gambled with an older gold Pure One PL14477 from the stash.


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654792
02/03/18 12:35 PM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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I don't see any pics?


1994 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w-40/PSL/2500 mile OCI
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard Syn/1yr OCI
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654795
02/03/18 12:38 PM
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OH
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Thank you for sharing. Last year I ran a TG4967 15k miles which included some winter months. Nice to see.

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654808
02/03/18 12:56 PM
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Houston, Texas
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Thanks for the C&P. Tough Guards get the job done!


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654815
02/03/18 01:01 PM
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Western S.C. since 1996
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Interesting! I wonder whether the Chinese TG10358 in my car now is buckling like that. The Denso and the Purolator that preceded it both came out looking good.


2011 Toyota Prius now at 92K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654820
02/03/18 01:07 PM
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Houston, Texas
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The only real way to know it to cut it open and look.

Mine always come out looking good I think because my engine is not making too much dirt and my OCI/FCI is shorter.

Everyone’s circumstance is a little different.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654935
02/03/18 03:00 PM
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I wonder if wavy media and media buckling is the result of the filter being cut open?


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: aquariuscsm] #4654946
02/03/18 03:14 PM
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Houston, Texas
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No.

1. Moisture
2. Length of service
3. Fuel dilution
4. Pleat spacing
5. DP across the filter element
6. Amount of dirt the engine produces

Combine these and you get wavy pleats. On some makes and models with weak brittle media you get media tears.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: WellOiled] #4654978
02/03/18 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled
...
5. DP across the filter element
6. Amount of dirt the engine produces

Combine these and you get wavy pleats. On some makes and models with weak brittle media you get media tears.
7. Level of force clamping the ends of the media assembly, applied by other components
8. Material and dimensions of media structure

Your #6 shouldn't matter unless it is so extreme that #5 becomes excessive.

Now I see this was a spin-on, so my previous comment may not apply. (Too late to edit.)


2011 Toyota Prius now at 92K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4654987
02/03/18 03:58 PM
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Houston, Texas
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Yes.

Some fail very quickly. So probably just weak brittle media.

FL500S with a tear

It is somewhat rare to find a Fram Oil Filter with a tear.

We don’t see as many Purolator filters with tears because BITOG users avoid them.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle] #4656443
02/04/18 11:24 PM
02/04/18 11:24 PM
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Cajun Country, La.
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How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
popcorn2

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4656491
02/05/18 12:37 AM
02/05/18 12:37 AM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
popcorn2


In Soviet Russia, filter made by Purolator tear itself...

This is a filter that I pushed on with my finger:


and this it what a Puro made filter looks like all on it's own:



1994 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w-40/PSL/2500 mile OCI
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard Syn/1yr OCI
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: blupupher] #4657436
02/05/18 10:13 PM
02/05/18 10:13 PM
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Cajun Country, La.
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
popcorn2


In Soviet Russia, filter made by Purolator tear itself...

This is a filter that I pushed on with my finger:


and this it what a Puro made filter looks like all on it's own:


Those Russians need to practice better QC!

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4657474
02/05/18 11:01 PM
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PNW
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Those Russians need to practice better QC!


They gotta put down the Vodka bottle first ... LOL

Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: CR94] #4657551
02/06/18 01:19 AM
02/06/18 01:19 AM
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Rio Rancho, NM
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Originally Posted By: CR94
Interesting! I wonder whether the Chinese TG10358 in my car now is buckling like that. The Denso and the Purolator that preceded it both came out looking good.


Denso is building a factory in China! Be warned.....


Respectfully,

Pajero!


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

1994 Montero SR 3.5 DOHC, 133,xxx
Fram Ultra/ Snorkel with Pre-filter
K-9-Co-pilot
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