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#4654752 - 02/03/18 11:08 AM Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
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Here is the Tough Guard off my brother's '07 Corolla-it was used for roughly 6 months, including some of the colder winter weather we've had around here for a while. Held up well, pleats a little funky by the seam, rest of it was perfect. Went with PP 5W30 and gambled with an older gold Pure One PL14477 from the stash.
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#4654792 - 02/03/18 11:35 AM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
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Registered: 08/27/04
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Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
I don't see any pics?
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#4654795 - 02/03/18 11:38 AM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
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Thank you for sharing. Last year I ran a TG4967 15k miles which included some winter months. Nice to see.

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#4654808 - 02/03/18 11:56 AM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Thanks for the C&P. Tough Guards get the job done!
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#4654815 - 02/03/18 12:01 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
CR94 Offline


Registered: 03/20/16
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Loc: Western S.C. since 1996
Interesting! I wonder whether the Chinese TG10358 in my car now is buckling like that. The Denso and the Purolator that preceded it both came out looking good.
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#4654820 - 02/03/18 12:07 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
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The only real way to know it to cut it open and look.

Mine always come out looking good I think because my engine is not making too much dirt and my OCI/FCI is shorter.

Everyone’s circumstance is a little different.
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#4654935 - 02/03/18 02:00 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
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I wonder if wavy media and media buckling is the result of the filter being cut open?
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#4654946 - 02/03/18 02:14 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: aquariuscsm]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
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Loc: Houston, Texas
No.

1. Moisture
2. Length of service
3. Fuel dilution
4. Pleat spacing
5. DP across the filter element
6. Amount of dirt the engine produces

Combine these and you get wavy pleats. On some makes and models with weak brittle media you get media tears.
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#4654978 - 02/03/18 02:47 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: WellOiled]
CR94 Offline


Registered: 03/20/16
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled
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5. DP across the filter element
6. Amount of dirt the engine produces

Combine these and you get wavy pleats. On some makes and models with weak brittle media you get media tears.
7. Level of force clamping the ends of the media assembly, applied by other components
8. Material and dimensions of media structure

Your #6 shouldn't matter unless it is so extreme that #5 becomes excessive.

Now I see this was a spin-on, so my previous comment may not apply. (Too late to edit.)
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#4654987 - 02/03/18 02:58 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
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Registered: 10/03/15
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Yes.

Some fail very quickly. So probably just weak brittle media.

FL500S with a tear

It is somewhat rare to find a Fram Oil Filter with a tear.

We don’t see as many Purolator filters with tears because BITOG users avoid them.
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#4656443 - 02/04/18 10:24 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: bullwinkle]
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Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 6003
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
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#4656491 - 02/04/18 11:37 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 08/27/04
Posts: 4424
Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
popcorn2


In Soviet Russia, filter made by Purolator tear itself...

This is a filter that I pushed on with my finger:


and this it what a Puro made filter looks like all on it's own:

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#4657436 - 02/05/18 09:13 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: blupupher]
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Registered: 02/28/03
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Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: blupupher
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
How do you cause a tear in the pleats? Do you use a knife to cut it, push hard on it with your finger, ???????
popcorn2


In Soviet Russia, filter made by Purolator tear itself...

This is a filter that I pushed on with my finger:


and this it what a Puro made filter looks like all on it's own:


Those Russians need to practice better QC!

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#4657474 - 02/05/18 10:01 PM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17795
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Those Russians need to practice better QC!


They gotta put down the Vodka bottle first ... LOL

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#4657551 - 02/06/18 12:19 AM Re: Fram TG4967 10,100 miles VNG syn 5W30 [Re: CR94]
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Registered: 05/05/12
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Loc: Rio Rancho, NM
Originally Posted By: CR94
Interesting! I wonder whether the Chinese TG10358 in my car now is buckling like that. The Denso and the Purolator that preceded it both came out looking good.


Denso is building a factory in China! Be warned.....


Respectfully,

Pajero!
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