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#4654663 - 02/03/18 10:02 AM The Idiots Will Not Slow Down!
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
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Loc: Toronto, Canada
https://www.cp24.com/news/fatal-qew-crash-may-have-been-caused-by-road-rage-opp-1.3779062

One passenger dead, another critically injured. If the drivers had left enough space between themselves and the car in front, they would have been able to safely slow down but, of course they did not. Every driver in that group of five, except possibly the lead one, did not leave adequate space.

Nine out of ten vehicles I see on the highway are too close to the vehicle ahead of them. When are they going to learn to not tailgate?

The biggest culprit in the incident is of course the brake checking driver. He (it is almost always a he) is trying to impose his version of the rules of the road on everyone else. There are quite a few of these idiots on the road.
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#4654670 - 02/03/18 10:10 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
rooflessVW Offline


Registered: 12/24/11
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It's simple: MOVE OVER. If people didn't act so self-righteous in the left lane, a ton of road rage and traffic issues would be mitigated.
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#4654676 - 02/03/18 10:13 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
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Loc: OH
One of my least favorite hwys to drive. They fly on that stretch from Niagara Falls to Toronto. Seems very unsafe. Maybe if it were patrolled better drivers would start slowing down.

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#4654679 - 02/03/18 10:14 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
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Am I reading it correctly that there was a slowpoke in the left lane everyone was stacked up behind that caused all the rage?
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#4654683 - 02/03/18 10:16 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: SatinSilver]
JC1 Offline


Registered: 11/29/08
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Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
One of my least favorite hwys to drive. They fly on that stretch from Niagara Falls to Toronto. Seems very unsafe. Maybe if it were patrolled better drivers would start slowing down.


Exactly better patrols and more enforcement of not hogging the left lane. Toronto is too congested and has too many idiot drivers these days.

This will only get worse as time goes on.
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#4654686 - 02/03/18 10:19 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: Leo99]
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Am I reading it correctly that there was a slowpoke in the left lane everyone was stacked up behind that caused all the rage?


"He urged the driver to get a lawyer and contact police"
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#4654687 - 02/03/18 10:19 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: rooflessVW]
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Registered: 01/21/17
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
It's simple: MOVE OVER. If people didn't act so self-righteous in the left lane, a ton of road rage and traffic issues would be mitigated.


Move over or drive fast. I tailgate people constantly on normal roads because they will do the speed limit in the left lane during rush hour or two cars on a two lane road doing the exact same speed, or positioned in a way to make it impossible to get around them. I start yelling "DRAG RACE!!!" in my car when I see that to help deal with the stress. Brake checking should be an automatic license suspension though, there is absolutely no reason to do that other than cause an accident.

The real reason, is that Toronto is a city that thinks if it builds enough street cars and bike lanes, traffic problems will be solved. Those bike lanes on woodbine are completely nonsensical.
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#4654693 - 02/03/18 10:23 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 7164
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
Something to consider, our roads are often chock-a-block full and over capacity. The fact that traffic still moves at high speed is due to people accepting the risk of following too close for adequate safety. By leaving more room, capacity is significantly diminished and traffic rapidly backs up. It results in a form of hysteresis that can be easily seen from the air, while flying over congested highways.

We have a culture of motoring in this country, and many of us have simply said, "well if he would just GO, traffic would move" and it's 100% true. But we need to remember the risk and occasional terrible results of fast, closely spaced traffic.
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#4654704 - 02/03/18 10:26 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: rooflessVW]
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Registered: 12/30/06
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Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
It's simple: MOVE OVER.


^^This.

It's the creepers that cause accidents,not the speeders. If you want to creep,stay in the right lane. Impeding the flow of traffic is what causes accidents. Traffic always flows perfectly until a creeper disrupts the flow.
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#4654707 - 02/03/18 10:28 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32671
Loc: ME
People tailgate in the left lane because it takes minutes to "earn" that spot. When the guy in the left is going 66 passing two other lanes going 65 it starts a very long queue.

Since those following in the middle/right lane don't always notice the blockage until they're on top of it they'll try to daringly dart into a tiny gap in the left traffic. Those a few cars back in the left lane see the darting over and frustration and avow that it won't be them getting cut off.

This would of course be fixed by getting rid of the left lane blocker through citations and/or continuing education. and beatings

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#4654708 - 02/03/18 10:31 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
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Registered: 03/20/15
Posts: 4632
Loc: Virginia
Great post George.

People act like they are at Talladega out there. I get where I'm going. But I very, very, very rarely follow anyone close. I usually leave 2.5 seconds between me and the car in front of me going 78-79 mph. And I have performance brakes on my car as well.
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#4654712 - 02/03/18 10:33 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: rooflessVW]
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41804
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
It's simple: MOVE OVER. If people didn't act so self-righteous in the left lane, a ton of road rage and traffic issues would be mitigated.


It works both ways. Speed limit is the max speed for the road. If people weren't so self-centered, thinking their gear, skills, time, etc was worth more and that they somehow deserved to break the law and push others who are not inclined, things would also be better.

At the same time, if there is opportunity to leave a passing lane open, it absolutely must. My comments don't imply to allow for vigilante speed monitors.

And to move into the lane and brake check is horrid. There's no excuse if the idiot was tailgating in the lane you were traveling in consistently. But to move over and do it - well let's hope the driver that did that is found and the book thrown at them.

Yet again why I like MTs. You have to appreciate physics and mechanical systems a lot more. Idiots mashing the go pedal thinking they deserve to drive faster than the law states endanger people too. Sure it may not matter when you're cruising in high gear, but I see a lot more idiocy racing to and from red lights, and statistically that's where a lot more incidents happen.

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#4654718 - 02/03/18 10:36 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: Leo99]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 6231
Loc: MI
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Am I reading it correctly that there was a slowpoke in the left lane everyone was stacked up behind that caused all the rage?

The truth is yet to be determined, but the linked article stated: "Investigators now believe that prior to this crash taking place, a vehicle similar to a Honda Civic travelling in the middle lane moved in front of traffic travelling in the left lane and slowed down, applied their brakes and did what they call a ‘brake check’” Schmidt said."

In my older years, my need to rush through life has diminished. I choose not to engage in the traffic circus and I drive uber defensively and attempt to avoid the more dangerous scenarios. This means that I generally drive the speed limit or slightly higher in the right lane. I attempt to accommodate the merging traffic safely. I try to stay up with the current traffic speed conditions, but If I am going 78 in the right lane and there are still people impatient to get around me,well, I keep my awareness of the idiots up and try to maintain safety.

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#4654722 - 02/03/18 10:41 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: George7941]
JamesBond Offline


Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 843
Loc: midwest
ALL urban expressway traffic problems are caused by following too closely.

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#4654727 - 02/03/18 10:43 AM Re: The Idiots Will Not Slow Down! [Re: JHZR2]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 11970
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
It's simple: MOVE OVER. If people didn't act so self-righteous in the left lane, a ton of road rage and traffic issues would be mitigated.


It works both ways. Speed limit is the max speed for the road. If people weren't so self-centered, thinking their gear, skills, time, etc was worth more and that they somehow deserved to break the law and push others who are not inclined, things would also be better.

Yet again why I like MTs. You have to appreciate physics and mechanical systems a lot more. Idiots mashing the go pedal thinking they deserve to drive faster than the law states endanger people too. Sure it may not matter when you're cruising in high gear, but I see a lot more idiocy racing to and from red lights, and statistically that's where a lot more incidents happen.
NOTHING ticks me off more than left lane bandits. If you think that the speed limit is the passing lane limit, you shouldn't be on the interstate. Average speed on I93 is typically 85MPH. The passing lane is the passing lane. Stay out of it. You'll get constant horn and high beam flash from me until you move.

If I was king smile there would be a "special" license for approved drivers with approved uprated equipment for interstate fast lane use. This isolated lane would have a MIN speed of 85. If You get "photographed" going under three times you loose you privelige "certificate" for a year.

On another note 37 is the new 30MPH guys - If you drive 30 in a 30 you are likely a Ford or Camry or Tacoma driver.


Edited by ARCOgraphite (02/03/18 10:49 AM)
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