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Today's Audi #4654615
02/03/18 09:17 AM
02/03/18 09:17 AM
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Camprunner Offline OP
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Yesterday I went to a local VW dealer to look at a GTI and this dealer is also an Audi dealer. After looking at a VW the Salesman showed me an Audi A3 nice car with several models with different price points. Now what worries me!

Back in the 80's I had a friend who had a small shop and worked on all Europen makes and I recall there were always plenty of Audi's in the shop with plenty of them with serious issues. I recall asking the shop owner what is his opinion of Audi? He replied "Over engineered junk!"

So have things changed? How are today's Audi? Are they as reliable as most other brands?

Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654622
02/03/18 09:23 AM
02/03/18 09:23 AM
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Why are you looking at VWs if Audis quality concerns you?


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02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654630
02/03/18 09:33 AM
02/03/18 09:33 AM
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Honestly... If a shop has trouble with an 80's Audi I wouldn't trust them with much else. Just because he had never heard of an FSM or dwell meter isn't Audi's fault. wink Bosch Jetronic is the enemy of parts changers the world over.

With regards to the newer stuff: If you do the maintenance on time, you're not going to have much trouble out of any car made in the last 10+ years. People buy old neglected cars or neglect their new cars and cry junk from the tallest towers of the internet when they (expectedly) fail.

If you want a new car to neglect, buy Japanese.


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Re: Today's Audi [Re: rooflessVW] #4654644
02/03/18 09:44 AM
02/03/18 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Honestly... If a shop has trouble with an 80's Audi I wouldn't trust them with much else. Just because he had never heard of an FSM or dwell meter isn't Audi's fault. wink Bosch Jetronic is the enemy of parts changers the world over.

With regards to the newer stuff: If you do the maintenance on time, you're not going to have much trouble out of any car made in the last 10+ years. People buy old neglected cars or neglect their new cars and cry junk from the tallest towers of the internet when they (expectedly) fail.

If you want a new car to neglect, buy Japanese.


Exactly.


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2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i


Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: Today's Audi [Re: dlundblad] #4654668
02/03/18 10:08 AM
02/03/18 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Why are you looking at VWs if Audis quality concerns you?


They probably share a LOT of the same engineering, tooling, assembly, etc etc


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Re: Today's Audi [Re: MCompact] #4654699
02/03/18 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Honestly... If a shop has trouble with an 80's Audi I wouldn't trust them with much else. Just because he had never heard of an FSM or dwell meter isn't Audi's fault. wink Bosch Jetronic is the enemy of parts changers the world over.

With regards to the newer stuff: If you do the maintenance on time, you're not going to have much trouble out of any car made in the last 10+ years. People buy old neglected cars or neglect their new cars and cry junk from the tallest towers of the internet when they (expectedly) fail.

If you want a new car to neglect, buy Japanese.


Exactly.

+2

My '01 A4 was pretty reliable. Wife's '15 Q5 has so far been reliable as well, alas, it's only 3 years old, so I don't want to draw long term conclusions.

I'm looking into a CPO A6 right now.


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Re: Today's Audi [Re: Linctex] #4654700
02/03/18 10:25 AM
02/03/18 10:25 AM
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Michigan
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Audis don't have much of a market share in the U.S. to begin with, but even taking that into account, there aren't many old Audis out on the road. They're complex, maintenance-intensive, and appeal to a demographic that tends to burn through cars. If you're a 3-5 year car guy, they're probably OK as a new car purchase if you're prepared to suck up a big depreciation hit. No one, other than a 1st-car teenager, should seriously consider buying a 6+yr old Audi, and that computation should factor into a decision to buy a new one.

Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654717
02/03/18 10:35 AM
02/03/18 10:35 AM
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My wife's boss had an A4 a few years ago that was a maintenance nightmare, every little sensor would go out right after warranty was up. Traded it in for a GLI and it has been rock solid for 150k. The car isn't very old, he drives a ton. Go Audi if you want the recognition, if not get a loaded VW.


1994 Ford Crown Vic 207k-Frankenbrew 0w20,30,40!
2005 Chevy 1500 Crewcab 4X4 180k-BC 0w30 $2/qt
2016 Outback 2.5 Limited 60k-shop brand?
Re: Today's Audi [Re: RedOakRanch] #4654734
02/03/18 10:46 AM
02/03/18 10:46 AM
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VW Fanboy Island
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Audis are so baller and impressive. I saw a new S5 parked on the street yesterday and it looked awesome. My uncle has a newer A5 and the heated flat bottom steering wheel in addition to the pop out stereo screen blew me away but that was in 2013 or something.

I am biased because I love VWs but new Audis always make my head turn when I see them. VWs and Audis are sweet but there are a lot of cheap idiots who own them


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Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654779
02/03/18 11:28 AM
02/03/18 11:28 AM
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Over here the smart people buy a Skoda instead and get the same car for a big discount.

Claud.

Re: Today's Audi [Re: maxdustington] #4654869
02/03/18 12:59 PM
02/03/18 12:59 PM
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Ajax,Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted By: maxdustington
Audis are sweet but there are a lot of cheap idiots who own them


Therein lies the problem, Audi, BMW and MB are set for european maintenance schedule which is a LOT more frequent than ours. Their marketing department adjusts this frequency to suit north american habits which very seldom reflect preventive maintenance. This is further aggravated by the great number of leased cars which are maintained at the min level, how many leased cars that require premium are instead given a diet of regular gas? etc so if you buy one of these leased cars you may expect problems and because parts & labour are expensive the bill gets astronomical rather quickly.

Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654874
02/03/18 01:02 PM
02/03/18 01:02 PM
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SoCal
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The modern era of Audi essentially began in the 1960s when Auto Union was acquired by Volkswagen from Daimler-Benz.[9] After relaunching the Audi brand with the 1965 introduction of the Audi F103 series, Volkswagen merged Auto Union with NSU Motorenwerke in 1969, thus creating the present day form of the company. Wikipedia

Got a 2014 Audi and it's build is excellent.


2014 Audi SQ5 ice silver metallic premium plus with black nappa leather and 21's
Re: Today's Audi [Re: dlundblad] #4654918
02/03/18 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Why are you looking at VWs if Audis quality concerns you?


VW is likely to have fewer doodads that will cause early reliability issues.

My family is on it's third VW (all golf/GTIs) between drivers and all have been totally reliable.

Re: Today's Audi [Re: Camprunner] #4654934
02/03/18 01:59 PM
02/03/18 01:59 PM
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The A3 is a glorified GTI anyway, so if you like the bells and whistles, nicer trim, softer plastics, better feel then go for the audi. The maintenance is a little bit more as well, just for the audi name the brakes will cost more. They also want a DSG fluid change every 40k, if that goes out its a very pricey unit to replace. They arefun little cars, and they get great mileage if you go easy on them. A tune really wakes the car up also.


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2007 Mercedes GL320 CDI Fuchs 5/40 GT Pro XTL
2005 BMW M3 BMW Twin Power 10/60
2003 BMW M5-Fuchs 5/40
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Re: Today's Audi [Re: JHZR2] #4654945
02/03/18 02:14 PM
02/03/18 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Why are you looking at VWs if Audis quality concerns you?


VW is likely to have fewer doodads that will cause early reliability issues.

My family is on it's third VW (all golf/GTIs) between drivers and all have been totally reliable.


Yeah, the more basic it is.... the less headaches down the road (no pun intended).

I liked your old 4 door Rabbit.

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