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Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency #4653910
02/02/18 01:35 PM
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Well, I am gonna open up a can of worms. I may be criticized and made fun of but that's ok. Check out what I found out about Toyota's OEM filter efficiency.

I have access to an Engineer at Toyota as he comes to my church when he is in town. He works in US and has been to Japan several times. I asked him to find out why Toyota OEM filters have such "poor" efficiency ratings based on what I know. I have no proof but I read where a lot of peoples say their micron efficiency is so much less than what we can by from Fram, Mobil, Amsoil, etc.

He's said he would try and find out. It has been over 2 months and he has been to service twice in that time. Last Sunday he came and apologized as he has been unable to get anyone to tell him why. He said I do have one other avenue to approach and he promised to let me know. Well, guess what? He finally got someone to talk with him off the record.

Here is the direct quote of his text to me:

Well, probably not the answer you wanted to hear but I've gathered the reason why Toyota use "subpar" filtration is it's cheaper, they've evaluated it and determined that is doesn't pose a risk to the longevity of the engine.



How is this supposed to make me feel?


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653914
02/02/18 01:39 PM
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Why would you think Toyotas filters are subpar? There is a probleM here with letting preconcieved notions get in the way of facts! While the fancy filters aren't that expensive so why not use them, is there any one on this board that can besides regurgitate marketing clains prove their engines lasted longer with the premium filters . This is considering the fact that properly maintained engines usually out last the bodies and trannies.


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653925
02/02/18 01:49 PM
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Manufacturers want their cars to last as long as their warranty, after that, they don't really care.

Will having a filter that is 60% @ 20 microns vs 99% @ 20 microns make a difference in 40,000 miles, no.
Not even in 100,000 miles more than likely.
But when you start getting into the 200,000 mile range, if a higher filtration filter was used, you will have less wear on the engine, and many more miles left on it (from an oil standpoint).

Does that mean a motor with OEM filters used for life will not last 200,000 miles. No, but I would rather have one with less wear bu using a higher efficiency filter.


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653929
02/02/18 01:56 PM
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Toyota filters work fine and the engine longevity and reputation is proof that there's nothing wrong with the filters that Toyota provides.

I pay $3.85 for the Toyota cartridge filters for the Corolla and Camry that I maintain for my neighbors and that is as inexpensive as they come. WalMart sells their brand for about $3.00 but I'm not convinced that there is any savings to be noticed by using a no-name branded filter. If I needed to buy one on the spur of the moment then maybe I'd consider the cheapy WalMart product. Otherwise I stick to OEM provided quality.

Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653932
02/02/18 02:08 PM
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My cousin’s neighbor’s son-in-law’s former roommate said NEVER use Toyota OEM oil filters. Your engine will be in eminent danger of seizing and/or exploding. smirk


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Starman2112] #4653936
02/02/18 02:13 PM
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Hold on, your cousin’s neighbor’s son-in-law’s former roommate....is ME and I never said that!

Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653939
02/02/18 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gebo


Here is the direct quote of his text to me:

Well, probably not the answer you wanted to hear but I've gathered the reason why Toyota use "subpar" filtration is it's cheaper, they've evaluated it and determined that is doesn't pose a risk to the longevity of the engine.



How is this supposed to make me feel?


A) Like Toyota make a superior product

and

B) You want to find a better filtering filter!


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653941
02/02/18 02:18 PM
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Millions of Toyota engines have run untold millions of miles, even billions on Toyota OEM filters. If there was a problem we would know it by now.

This topic is really hitting this forum in various threads. You will find that there is no one answer to satisfy everyone here.


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Kira] #4653942
02/02/18 02:18 PM
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Oops, my bad. Maybe it was his current roommate. LOL


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653969
02/02/18 02:51 PM
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I do recall a few conversations on here where it is stated that we probably don't really need an oil filter....

VW beetles used screens. I never understood why they sold replacement screens. there was never anything wrong with the screen - nor nothing in it.
I believe there is also a reference to an experiment from Bob which seemed to indicate that oil filter efficiency was not very important


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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653983
02/02/18 03:13 PM
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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4653984
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Ten months and 26 days and I will be back again mentioning Toyota's oil filter manufacturer.

Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Tony10s] #4653994
02/02/18 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tony10s
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Thank you Tony10s, I needed that.

Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4653995
02/02/18 03:32 PM
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Re: Toyota OEM Oil Filter Efficiency [Re: Gebo] #4654026
02/02/18 04:42 PM
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And my 2012 V6 has a 10,000 mile OCI without so much as an OLM. These Toyota OE cartridge filters are tiny.
But, after 75,000 miles, it doesn’t burn ONE DROP between OCs and the oil maintains its golden color. Think about that. Can you say that about any other engine? None that I’ve seen.

Toyota designed this engine to be low stressed. It is torquey and mated to an efficient six speed tranny. It rarely sees 3000 rpm. They are telling us that oil isn’t all that important to the engines they design. Just keep something on the dipstick and it will go 300,000+.


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