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Polish, not wax, for old paint! #4653283
02/01/18 03:32 PM
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vintageant Offline OP
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Looking for guidance on how to revive the paint on the '37 Alvis. Definitely looking for a polish, not a wax. In the old days, there was something called T-Cut, but the modern T-Cut seems quite different.

Amazon lists a product called Trinova Scratch and Swirl Remover. Any experience with this? Or could clay bar, which I've never used, work? Or start with 2,000 wet & dry?

Sorry if this have been covered previously in detail. Have searched and found references to good old orange bottle Nu-Finish, but not much else.

Thanks!


1925 Alvis HDEO 15W40
1937 Alvis Speed 25 20W50 w LM MoS2 & LM MOS
1970 VW Peking - Paris Rally Beetle HDEO 15W40 w LM MoS2
1987 Porsche 924S HDEO 15W40
Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653286
02/01/18 03:37 PM
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Meguiar's M7 Show Car Glaze. Apply it thick with your hands, let it skin over, and rub rub rub till your arms fall off. Brings so much life back to old paint.

If you need to do a correction and you have enough paint thickness, M105+M205 is a winning combo.


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653311
02/01/18 04:00 PM
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Is this the original or a repaint? If a repaint is it enamel, lacquer, base clear coat or lacquer with clear? what condition is the paint in and what are you looking to achieve?


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653316
02/01/18 04:06 PM
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Trav - Doubt it's original, but if it's a repaint it would have been done in the 1960s. Looking to minimize the dull crazing, swirls & scratches and give some sense of shine from 20 ft.


1925 Alvis HDEO 15W40
1937 Alvis Speed 25 20W50 w LM MoS2 & LM MOS
1970 VW Peking - Paris Rally Beetle HDEO 15W40 w LM MoS2
1987 Porsche 924S HDEO 15W40
Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653333
02/01/18 04:22 PM
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I was going to reply until Trav did..

If its a recent repaint, id agree with rooflessVW.


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PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653334
02/01/18 04:27 PM
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Probably lacquer without clear coat but just to make sure take a little polish on a white rag and polish a small inconspicuous area and see if the color is on the cloth.
On something like this without a paint thickness gauge I would not sand it, if you knew it was thick enough I would go with 3000 or even 5000 just enough to smooth it a little and remove surface garbage embedded in the paint.

Without sanding I would use 3M Perfect-It with a DA polisher on low/med and a soft to medium foam pad not a heavy cutting pad.

Perfect-It

To finish Use the 3M Hand Glaze topped with a good carnauba wax. It will look great with a minimum paint removal.

Hand Glaze
These can be found at any body supply store, ebay and Amazon.

Last edited by Trav; 02/01/18 04:29 PM.

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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653336
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Just throwing this out there, but what about wet paint glaze? I offer this option because of an experience I had using it on an old semi restored pick up. Paint composition unknown. It cleaned the paint up nicely and put on a very nice shine. Nice product IMHO.


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653563
02/01/18 11:07 PM
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No idea on the paint care, but I absolutely love your collection of cars.

Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: Trav] #4653574
02/01/18 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Probably lacquer without clear coat but just to make sure take a little polish on a white rag and polish a small inconspicuous area and see if the color is on the cloth.
On something like this without a paint thickness gauge I would not sand it, if you knew it was thick enough I would go with 3000 or even 5000 just enough to smooth it a little and remove surface garbage embedded in the paint.

Without sanding I would use 3M Perfect-It with a DA polisher on low/med and a soft to medium foam pad not a heavy cutting pad.

Perfect-It

To finish Use the 3M Hand Glaze topped with a good carnauba wax. It will look great with a minimum paint removal.

Hand Glaze
These can be found at any body supply store, ebay and Amazon.


Perfect advice!

To ad, the clay bar will not do anything except remove contaminants "on top" of painted surface. Clay bar should always be used instead of sanding when possible because it removes little to no paint material, and compounding/polishing is not needed after use, just wax.

3M perfect-it is one of the best materials there is. 3M handglaze is my favorite also!


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653734
02/02/18 08:29 AM
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vintageant Offline OP
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Thanks all! I already know, from previous cleaning, that maroon paint comes off on the cloth. Have just ordered a DA polisher, Perfect-It and Hand Glaze.

As far as "How-to" does this make sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvfqGkde4uo


1925 Alvis HDEO 15W40
1937 Alvis Speed 25 20W50 w LM MoS2 & LM MOS
1970 VW Peking - Paris Rally Beetle HDEO 15W40 w LM MoS2
1987 Porsche 924S HDEO 15W40
Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653799
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of all the how to videos you pick a 3min one from wheeler dealers?


type in how to use da polisher and go with a result from any of the detail supply companies over a 3min tv show snip. Edd is a great presenter but hes first a mechanic and engineet, versus someone whos heart and soul is only about paint and appearance.

Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4653801
02/02/18 09:44 AM
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I would skip the pressure washing, one slip and there goes the paint right off the car depending on the pressure washer. Hand wash it and use a bucket grit guard with a separate sponge/mitt for the lower body parts and wheels.
I usually only use rotary buffers but for paint like this the DA is perfect but with any buffer do any hard edges by hand.
Heavy compound on this who knows how old paint with a rotary can burn through or damage the paint pretty quickly. One panel at a time with finesse and patience will get it done nicely.

BTW Nice car!


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4654110
02/02/18 05:15 PM
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Thanks Trav!

Was never considering the pressure washer! Waiting for all materials to arrive from Amazon.


1925 Alvis HDEO 15W40
1937 Alvis Speed 25 20W50 w LM MoS2 & LM MOS
1970 VW Peking - Paris Rally Beetle HDEO 15W40 w LM MoS2
1987 Porsche 924S HDEO 15W40
Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: vintageant] #4654275
02/02/18 08:28 PM
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Which DA did you get?


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Re: Polish, not wax, for old paint! [Re: Trav] #4654575
02/03/18 08:39 AM
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1925 Alvis HDEO 15W40
1937 Alvis Speed 25 20W50 w LM MoS2 & LM MOS
1970 VW Peking - Paris Rally Beetle HDEO 15W40 w LM MoS2
1987 Porsche 924S HDEO 15W40
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