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New mid-sized sedan #4652248
01/31/18 04:40 PM
01/31/18 04:40 PM
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t1snwrbrdr12 Offline OP
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I may be in the market for a new or barley used mid-sized sedan.

I donít like that the 2018s as far as Toyota and Honda are brand new engine and trans wise. I never like to be the guinea pig. Wife is really pushing for a new car just for warranty piece of mind.

Where do you all research common problems and customer satisfaction type stuff?

What are your opinions on Mazda 6 / Toyota Camry / Honda accords / Subaru Legacy?

I like that Camry now is dual injection but that is only on 18 as far as I can tell which comes with an all new trans

Accords 2.0 turbo is appealing but that comes with a new trans as well and the new body isnít that appealing to me. I could deal with it but turbo combined with a new trans scares me a bit.

I donít know much about Mazdaís except that you guys seem to love them.

I can find 2017 accords left over. Havenít found any camrys or 6s (6 seems to have a 2017.5 model so I guess thatís why). I was kind of hoping to find a smoking deal on a leftover 17.

Iíd like to not be spending over around 20k.

Iíd like it to be serviceable at home for the most part as Iím an ex dealer tech (quit about 4 years ago to work fleet) so I have all my tools At home now.

Last edited by t1snwrbrdr12; 01/31/18 04:48 PM.
Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652265
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What's new about the Camry's transmission?

It's just an Aisin 8-speed right? Probably the same box I have in my Volvo.


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652281
01/31/18 05:02 PM
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Lots of Ď17 Mazda6ís around here are discounted heavily. You might be able to get into a Touring for that outlay. Thereís $2500 rebate -or- $1000 rebate & 0%. Currently there are several GT with premium package for $27k, thatís $7k off sticker. The Accord and Camry are new, so I donít think youíll see those discounts. Being a tech in your past life I am assuming you donít want a first year model.

I love mine and have 18k miles trouble-free miles since I bought it in July. When I bought there was a $3k rebate and a $2k dealer discount on my Grand Touring.

Easy to service, like my Accords before. If you can find an Accord left over, I had good luck with my Ď12 & Ď14. Both Accords were showing signs of VTC actuators getting noisy, so itís still an issue with K24 engines.


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652314
01/31/18 05:29 PM
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I'd seriously look at a Mazda6

Last edited by skyactiv; 01/31/18 05:30 PM.

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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652354
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Only problem Mazda is looking very dated.

Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652370
01/31/18 06:31 PM
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Why not consider a Nissan Altima? I've had mine for nearly 4 years now, and have been extremely pleased with it. Great fuel economy, quiet, smooth ride, good features.. and trouble-free.


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652384
01/31/18 06:41 PM
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What about certified pre-owned? If you don't want a 2018 first year model, then get one a year or two old that is a previous generation. Often you can get them with a better warranty than new. Used car prices are low right now. If I was buying a car, I would go that route. In about 10-11 months I'll be looking at a new truck because used truck prices are so high.

Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: Mr Nice] #4652437
01/31/18 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Only problem Mazda is looking very dated.



Thatís your opinion, not factual.


Check out the forums for the cars you are interested in. If there are any major issues they will pop up there like Hondaís fuel dilution.

Mazda 6
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
Nissan Altima.

Just my preferences and not in any order.


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652444
01/31/18 07:32 PM
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Also consider the new Malibu. Its way better than the previous generation cars.


The Ford Fusion is also a fantastic sedan.

IMO the accord sport, Mazda 6, and Fusion are the best looking midsize sedans. The new civics are very nice as well and almost as spacious as a midsize.

Last edited by donnyj08; 01/31/18 07:34 PM.

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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: LotI] #4652499
01/31/18 08:26 PM
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t1snwrbrdr12 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: LotI
Lots of Ď17 Mazda6ís around here are discounted heavily. You might be able to get into a Touring for that outlay. Thereís $2500 rebate -or- $1000 rebate & 0%. Currently there are several GT with premium package for $27k, thatís $7k off sticker. The Accord and Camry are new, so I donít think youíll see those discounts. Being a tech in your past life I am assuming you donít want a first year model.

I love mine and have 18k miles trouble-free miles since I bought it in July. When I bought there was a $3k rebate and a $2k dealer discount on my Grand Touring.

Easy to service, like my Accords before. If you can find an Accord left over, I had good luck with my Ď12 & Ď14. Both Accords were showing signs of VTC actuators getting noisy, so itís still an issue with K24 engines.


Everything Iíve found around here are 2017.5ís. They say they have a couple more options included for the same price as the original 17s. Not sure how much wiggle room is on a Mazda, Iíve always heard theyíre hard to get down on their prices.

I donít care what the year is just figured if I can really find a 17 itíd be a better deal.

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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: rooflessVW] #4652503
01/31/18 08:28 PM
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t1snwrbrdr12 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
What's new about the Camry's transmission?

It's just an Aisin 8-speed right? Probably the same box I have in my Volvo.


I donít know much about new cars anymore. Maybe itís not new, just new to the Camry. I didnít even know they used aisin transmissions...thatís typically a good thing. They lasted in jeeps forever. I just thought I read here that the new Camryís are rolling off the lot with trans issues right away.

Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: wallyuwl] #4652509
01/31/18 08:32 PM
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t1snwrbrdr12 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
What about certified pre-owned? If you don't want a 2018 first year model, then get one a year or two old that is a previous generation. Often you can get them with a better warranty than new. Used car prices are low right now. If I was buying a car, I would go that route. In about 10-11 months I'll be looking at a new truck because used truck prices are so high.


Nothing against that, it just seems that they are priced so close to new prices that it may not be worth the risk of buying a lease turn over or rental that nobody took care of. No real way to tell that though. If these DI motors are like any of the early Hyundaiís then the oil is going to look dirty even immediately after an oil change and maintenance history only comes up on history reports if done by dealers it seems like right? Not out of the consideration but the pricing seems too close to new. Iíll look closer at the CPOs around me though for sure.

Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652555
01/31/18 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: t1snwrbrdr12
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
What's new about the Camry's transmission?

It's just an Aisin 8-speed right? Probably the same box I have in my Volvo.


I donít know much about new cars anymore. Maybe itís not new, just new to the Camry. I didnít even know they used aisin transmissions...thatís typically a good thing. They lasted in jeeps forever. I just thought I read here that the new Camryís are rolling off the lot with trans issues right away.



Aisin is part of the Toyota family


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652658
01/31/18 10:33 PM
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Mazda 6 and Ford Fusion get my vote.

See if you can get a new 2017 with a good discount


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Re: New mid-sized sedan [Re: t1snwrbrdr12] #4652686
01/31/18 10:58 PM
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How long/how many miles do you plan to keep the car for? For me, I plan to get as long a service life as I can before sending it to scrap, that removes alot of choices from my list. Knowing that Toyota is so behind in offering an 8 speed auto, kinda tells me they have tested them out for quite some time already. I personally wouldnt worry about an 8 speed auto or DI on a camry. Worst case, few year old Camrys, legacy's or accords can be had for a nice discount and still have lots of life left in them.


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