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#4651539 - 01/30/18 08:10 PM Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot
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https://sofrep.com/98976/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/

Seems the new M17/18 (Sig P320) is having some issues in service already.
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#4651544 - 01/30/18 08:20 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Rut roh raggy! frown

Sig has just grown to darn fast for their own good. I think the new P365 is the bomb.com in idea but no way am I buying one till all the beta testers give it a good work out first.
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#4651551 - 01/30/18 08:27 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Hope the kick back was good for Sig. I bet the cost per gun is ridiculous too.
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#4651566 - 01/30/18 08:42 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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New Jersey is already suing Sig over defective guns.
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#4651572 - 01/30/18 08:48 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?

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#4651579 - 01/30/18 08:57 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Sigs aren't what they used to be since the CEO that ruined Kimber and moved to Sig.
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#4651582 - 01/30/18 09:02 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: das_peikko]
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Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


Because they are not modular in nature (allowing the guns to be ergonomically adapted for different shooters). Beretta tried to keep the contract with the M9A3 and the military rejected it for the same reason.
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#4651587 - 01/30/18 09:14 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


Because they are not modular in nature (allowing the guns to be ergonomically adapted for different shooters).
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Blimey!'"ergonomically adapted for different shooters", eh? Pretty fancy talk applied to squaddies.

When I was in the (British, so lower budget) army, it was difficult to get an issue sleeping bag ergonomically adapted to me becase the issue scales were probably still based on undernourished wee Malkies driven out of the Gorbals by 1930's unemployment. You got the one, and the gun, you were given.

Tell that to kids today, and they'll not believe you.

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#4651591 - 01/30/18 09:26 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: CT8]
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Registered: 12/23/09
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Sigs aren't what they used to be since the CEO that ruined Kimber and moved to Sig.


True. While the materials are still good, the finished product seems to have less consistency in terms of reliability. I should have picked up the old P225 German trade in guns when they were cheap and plentiful.
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#4651596 - 01/30/18 09:35 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Ducked]
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


Because they are not modular in nature (allowing the guns to be ergonomically adapted for different shooters).
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Blimey!'"ergonomically adapted for different shooters", eh? Pretty fancy talk applied to squaddies.

When I was in the (British, so lower budget) army, it was difficult to get an issue sleeping bag ergonomically adapted to me becase the issue scales were probably still based on undernourished wee Malkies driven out of the Gorbals by 1930's unemployment. You got the one, and the gun, you were given.

Tell that to kids today, and they'll not believe you.


I have heard similar stories of "making do" from friends that served in the Canadian forces in the early 2000's.


Edited by Robenstein (01/30/18 09:36 PM)
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#4651617 - 01/30/18 10:16 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
Hope the kick back was good for Sig. I bet the cost per gun is ridiculous too.


Believe they were like $200 each or something surprisingly low...

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#4651631 - 01/30/18 10:38 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: das_peikko]
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Registered: 10/22/09
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Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


This! thumbsup


There is no excuse for this who where the mindless unskilled people that tested this gun before the buy off?
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#4651634 - 01/30/18 10:42 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Ducked]
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


Because they are not modular in nature (allowing the guns to be ergonomically adapted for different shooters).
!

Blimey!'"ergonomically adapted for different shooters", eh? Pretty fancy talk applied to squaddies.

When I was in the (British, so lower budget) army, it was difficult to get an issue sleeping bag ergonomically adapted to me becase the issue scales were probably still based on undernourished wee Malkies driven out of the Gorbals by 1930's unemployment. You got the one, and the gun, you were given.

Tell that to kids today, and they'll not believe you.




You were issued a sleeping bag? I guess the British Army has to have some sense of comfort and civility. Cheerio!!
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#4651641 - 01/30/18 10:57 PM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: Robenstein]
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Well the Marines got a new HK rifle they should get the US Army HK VP9/USP.
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#4651683 - 01/31/18 02:23 AM Re: Seems the new M17 isn't doing so hot [Re: das_peikko]
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Registered: 03/30/15
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Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Why didn't they go with a proven model like the P220 or the P226 ?


Or a Glock 17. Why select an unproven gun? Now look at the mess they're in.

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