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Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen #4651100
01/30/18 12:20 PM
01/30/18 12:20 PM
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Ankeny, IA
renegade_987 Offline OP
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Afternoon everyone. Iíve owned my 2015 Jetta SE (1.8T) for about a year and a half. Initially, I used Mobil 1 Euro 0w40 from Walmart since it was easy to get. I realize, however, that it doesnít seem to meet all VW specs for newer vehicles (unless Iím missing something. More recently Iíve been using Motul 8100 X-Cess 5w40 at 5K OCIís. As quickly as I put miles on the car, the Motul is getting pricy. I have no problem continuing with this oil if thatís whatís best for it, as I know German cars can be picky. Ive narrowed my options to the Motul 8100, Liqui Moly High Tech, Casterol German (If I can even find it) or Mobil 1 0w40. For a newer VW, what would you all suggest? Iím open to other oil options as well! All oil changes will be run for 5K with a VW OEM filter. Thanks!


2015 VW Jetta 1.8t - Pennzoil Euro/VW OEM
2004 F150 - Valvoline WB/Motorcraft
2008 HHR - Mobil 1 / WIX
2005 500 - Citgo Synthetic/Fram XG

Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651105
01/30/18 12:24 PM
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Walmart's 5-quart jug of Castrol Edge 0w40, or Pennzoil 0w40 there, or M1 0w40 there, all meet VW 502 which is what you need/want.

Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651112
01/30/18 12:31 PM
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Texas (south)
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I would using m1 0w40. it's good stuff.


Always Mobil 1
2014 1.6L Nissan Versa Sedan, 5 spd, 5k OCI.
2011 3.5L Chevrolet Impala, Automatic, 5k OCI.
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: oil_film_movies] #4651117
01/30/18 12:34 PM
01/30/18 12:34 PM
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Great Lakes
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Walmart's 5-quart jug of Castrol Edge 0w40, or Pennzoil 0w40 there, or M1 0w40 there, all meet VW 502 which is what you need/want.

+1

There is really no reason to look any further than this.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651128
01/30/18 12:43 PM
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Pennsylvania
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Why not just stop by the VW dealer and get the Castrol product that is specified? Prices are reasonable and you know it meets all the specs.


2013 VW Passat TDI SE, 61,200 miles Castrol Professional VW507 5W-30
2017 VW Golf All Track 18,370 miles Castrol Professional VW505 5W-40
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651195
01/30/18 02:05 PM
01/30/18 02:05 PM
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Upper Midwest
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Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Afternoon everyone. Iíve owned my 2015 Jetta SE (1.8T) for about a year and a half. Initially, I used Mobil 1 Euro 0w40 from Walmart since it was easy to get. I realize, however, that it doesnít seem to meet all VW specs for newer vehicles (unless Iím missing something. More recently Iíve been using Motul 8100 X-Cess 5w40 at 5K OCIís. As quickly as I put miles on the car, the Motul is getting pricy. I have no problem continuing with this oil if thatís whatís best for it, as I know German cars can be picky. Ive narrowed my options to the Motul 8100, Liqui Moly High Tech, Casterol German (If I can even find it) or Mobil 1 0w40. For a newer VW, what would you all suggest? Iím open to other oil options as well! All oil changes will be run for 5K with a VW OEM filter. Thanks!

What VW specification does your vehicle require that the M1 0W-40 does not have?


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651282
01/30/18 03:19 PM
01/30/18 03:19 PM
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MA, Mittelfranken.de
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That should be VW 502.00, both Mobil 1 and Castrol 0w40 meet it and are great oils, whats the problem?


ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: Boomer] #4651317
01/30/18 03:41 PM
01/30/18 03:41 PM
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KS
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
Why not just stop by the VW dealer and get the Castrol product that is specified? Prices are reasonable and you know it meets all the specs.
Probably because its more expensive using this oil than anything else.


2017 Volkswagen Jetta 1.4T - 2015 Honda CRV 2.4 - 2012 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 - 2001 Pontiac Sunfire 2.2
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651333
01/30/18 03:51 PM
01/30/18 03:51 PM
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The Midwest
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I could be wrong, but is the poster wanting to see VW 502,503 and 504 listed on the bottle? It's not going to happen.
You can find Castrol 0W40 in 5 quart jugs at a Walmart near you for cheap. Castrol 0W40 is a rare/real PAO synthetic if you look at the MSDS
and is produced in Europe. Not every Walmart has it, but if there are other Walmarts near you, I but one of them stocks it.

https://www.walmart.com/store/1764/des-moines-ia/search?dept=91083&dept_name=Auto+%26+Tires&query=0w40

https://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/729231D2ABF643B28025817E00527278/$File/11264210.pdf


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
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Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651347
01/30/18 03:59 PM
01/30/18 03:59 PM
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Lyndhurst NJ
Audios Offline
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Use whatevers on sale at walmart for that kind of interval. If it was a 10k interval, Id definitely recommend a top quality oil, but any of those you listed would work fine. Id imagine even the Super tech synthetic would be fine for 5k, but not worth the small savings.


2002 VW Golf TDI-Mobil 1 5/40 TDT
2007 Mercedes GL320 CDI Fuchs 5/40 GT Pro XTL
2005 BMW M3 BMW Twin Power 10/60
2003 BMW M5-Fuchs 5/40
1998 BMW M3/4/5 Fuchs 5/40
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4651509
01/30/18 07:30 PM
01/30/18 07:30 PM
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Georgia
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Georgia
Valvoline 5w40 MST


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto (Sold) 214k mi
2009 Scion tC Manual (Daily Driver) 165k mi
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: Audios] #4651841
01/31/18 09:06 AM
01/31/18 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Audios
Use whatevers on sale at walmart for that kind of interval. If it was a 10k interval, Id definitely recommend a top quality oil, but any of those you listed would work fine. Id imagine even the Super tech synthetic would be fine for 5k, but not worth the small savings.
The issue is more than "top quality oil" as you put it. Its physics, viscometrics and hydrodynamic surfing in bearing design.
That engine requires hths>=3.5, so SuperTech synthetic wouldn't uphold the VW engine warranty since SuperTech full syn 5w30 is too thin for the right spec.
Frankly, you could likely get away with using SuperTech 5w30 (HTHS=3.0) in the cold winter for 5k miles, but VW is saying it really needs HTHS>=3.5 in a VW 502 oil. Believe VW engineers here and use a proper VW 502 oil.

Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: renegade_987] #4652233
01/31/18 03:31 PM
01/31/18 03:31 PM
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San Francisco, CA
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The X-cess is also the only 100% synthetic oil out of the recommendations being made hence the price difference.

Last edited by Flying_A; 01/31/18 03:32 PM.
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: Flying_A] #4652264
01/31/18 03:50 PM
01/31/18 03:50 PM
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Great Lakes
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Originally Posted By: Flying_A
The X-cess is also the only 100% synthetic oil

With a pour point of only -36C, I seriously doubt it.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Letís talk about oil for a Volkswagen [Re: Quattro Pete] #4652277
01/31/18 03:59 PM
01/31/18 03:59 PM
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San Francisco, CA
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Flying_A
The X-cess is also the only 100% synthetic oil

With a pour point of only -36C, I seriously doubt it.


You do realize that the pour point is an arbitrary number that has almost nothing to do with the base oils used right?

Anyone can pour a ton of viscosity improver and get a great pour point. The pour point doesn't reflect the base oil quality alone since it is skewed by the ad pack chosen etc. The pour point used is of the finished product- not the base oil alone. So in fact it can very be a 100% oil and not have the pout point characteristics of a lesser quality base oil product that relies more heavily on additives to get impressive figures on a piece of paper.

Last edited by Flying_A; 01/31/18 03:59 PM.
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