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#4649553 - 01/28/18 08:53 PM Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L
heyleescomet Offline


Registered: 01/28/18
Posts: 19
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Hi guys, longtime reader of the forums, just thought I would join and share my first report on my truck I bought early last year. It has
the 5 speed manual (M5OD-R2 i think). Motorcraft oil filter.

About 200km of highway and the rest of the 3500km is city, in 8 months time. Just short 5-10 minute trips to work/uptown everyday. Fairly gentle on it with maybe half a dozen times I let her breathe deep through a gear or two

2 months of well below freezing temperatures (10-20 below).

If anyone wants to share any thoughts please do. Kinda interested in what your thoughts are. Im not loyal to any brand, Had a Canadian Tire gift card so its currently filled with Pennzoil Platinum, and with a Napa Gold oil filter



After I got it road ready (new windshield,fluids, brakes, had no running lights except for headlights, found a corroded spot in a wire under the fuse panel where a mouse had made a home and chewed on a few wires, haha, easy fix. Got some more modern headlight housings, really helps the look I think,)



Edited by heyleescomet (01/28/18 08:59 PM)
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2003 F-150 4.6L, 5 speed, PP 5w30
1962 Mercury Comet 200ci, Shell 15w40

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#4649568 - 01/28/18 09:07 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
das_peikko Offline


Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 516
Loc: San Antonio, TX
This report is a perfect example why Ford moved from 5W/20 to 5W/30.

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#4649583 - 01/28/18 09:17 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
JLTD Offline


Registered: 12/15/17
Posts: 677
Loc: US
+1; I'd definitely move to 5w30, or maybe even 0w30 for the winter.
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His: 2015 4Runner SR5 1GR-FE 39k, Amsoil OE 5w20/Wix
Testing vs Amsoil OE 5w30...then longer OCI on SS

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 135k, Amsoil SS 5w30/Amsoil, minimum 10k oci

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#4649621 - 01/28/18 09:55 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: das_peikko]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8675
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
This report is a perfect example why Ford moved from 5W/20 to 5W/30.


Ford does recommend 5W30 in this engines successor. Nothing like spouting off about nothing factual.
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make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
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#4649633 - 01/28/18 10:08 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
Snagglefoot Online   content


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1746
Loc: Alberta
Another item is all the cold starts. Might get better with a warming trend. Was it stored outside at your place and where you work? Im just guessing here. Nice truck.
SF


Edited by Snagglefoot (01/28/18 10:09 PM)

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#4649638 - 01/28/18 10:27 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
zeng Offline


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 2188
Loc: Malaysia
I would attribute the Fe and Cu ppm mainly to low temperature corrosion wear instead of low viscosity grade.
I may be wrong though.

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#4649646 - 01/28/18 10:49 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
Snagglefoot Online   content


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1746
Loc: Alberta
I dont want to get into the middle of things but the 2018 owners manual calls for 5W-20 for the 5.0 in the F-150.

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#4649650 - 01/28/18 10:54 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: Snagglefoot]
heyleescomet Offline


Registered: 01/28/18
Posts: 19
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Thank and Yep, always parked outside, I would use the block heater at home on the days it was at or below -20C. We'll see with warmer weather
how the 5w20 pennzoil plat report looks. May step up to 5w30 since I think you guys feel that would help. I almost did but thought I'll see how this report or two looks like.

Truck also sat for a few months before I bought it. I changed the oil shortly after I got it, wasnt sure if that will have any effect on these numbers or not.
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2003 F-150 4.6L, 5 speed, PP 5w30
1962 Mercury Comet 200ci, Shell 15w40

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#4649674 - 01/28/18 11:41 PM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
heyleescomet Offline


Registered: 01/28/18
Posts: 19
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Took a bit, but now its easy to do this format that I guess is preferred here. To immortalize the data I think. Anyway thought Id stab this is here, redundant but it felt good to figure out the rather simple way to do it

Code:
OIL             Motorcraft 
                SynBlend 5w20   
KM IN USE       3.5k         
KM              155k      
SAMPLE TAKEN    01/13/18   

ALUMINUM        7           
CHROMIUM        3               
IRON            25              
COPPER          5              
LEAD            0             
TIN             0              
MOLYBDENUM      18              
NICKEL          1              
MANGANESE       1               
SILVER          0               
TITANIUM        0               
POTASSIUM       0               
BORON           96               
SILICON         17             
SODIUM          40            
CALCIUM         1618          
MAGNESIUM       11          
PHOSPHORUS      650           
ZINC            723         
BARIUM          0        
     
INSOLUBLES      0.3           
WATER           0              
FLASHPOINT F   370           
SUS VIS 210F   50.2        
cSt @ 212F     7.33    
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2003 F-150 4.6L, 5 speed, PP 5w30
1962 Mercury Comet 200ci, Shell 15w40

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#4649699 - 01/29/18 01:13 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
rubberchicken Offline


Registered: 07/07/08
Posts: 399
Loc: Maryland USA
+1 that you moved up to a higher quality oil.

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#4649703 - 01/29/18 01:43 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
FZ1 Offline


Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4727
Loc: Texas
The pp may just doing some cleaning re the numbers. Vis has thinned. Like the headlights. Handsome truck.

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#4649808 - 01/29/18 07:08 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
Snagglefoot Online   content


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1746
Loc: Alberta
Originally Posted By: heyleescomet
Thank and Yep, always parked outside, I would use the block heater at home on the days it was at or below -20C. We'll see with warmer weather
how the 5w20 pennzoil plat report looks. May step up to 5w30 since I think you guys feel that would help. I almost did but thought I'll see how this report or two looks like.

Truck also sat for a few months before I bought it. I changed the oil shortly after I got it, wasnt sure if that will have any effect on these numbers or not.


For what its worth -20 C is when I plug in as well.

SF

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#4649813 - 01/29/18 07:16 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 7392
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
3500km is akin to 2200 miles. You have a definite concern for wear here. 25ppm in 2200 miles is more than 11ppm/1k miles; that is a VERY HIGH wear rate for the 4.6L engines.

I presume you don't know much of the history of the truck, or you'd already have mentioned it.

I would take another UOA again at 3500km. If the Fe is still that high, I'd say you have a distinct issue.

The 4.6L mod motors generally run quite well on about any vis out there (5w-20, 10w-30, 10w-40); it really does not matter. This is NOT vis related wear; that's ignorance coming from bench racers here. Your wear is not normal; something is amiss.

It's not time to panic; it's time to keep on looking for the cause. Run another 3500km and then do another UOA. Quit swapping oil brands; that only causes another input to deal with; pick a lube and stick with it during the diagnosis of this issue.

Report back upon next UOA.



For reference; check out my UOAs
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4389122/3
At or less than 1ppm/1k miles.
I ran alternating trials with both dino and syn lubes; both 5w-20.



Look at macro wear data here; note the 4.6L section:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/


My UOAs are at or a slight bit better than "normal". Your wear rate is 10x (Ten Times) greater than mine, and well above "normal" averages.
Something is not right; your challenge is to find out what it is.



It is always possible it could be a lab error, or other input that skewed the data. That is why it's important to see another successive UOA.


Edited by dnewton3 (01/29/18 07:26 AM)
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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money

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#4650000 - 01/29/18 10:47 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
Whimsey Offline


Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 4049
Loc: The Garden State
Real nice looking truck. I had a 2002 F-150 with the same engine and transmission. I really enjoyed it but sadly it rotted away courtesy of our road departments here in NJ and their use of liquid salt brine in the winter mad. With iron that high in such few km's there is something going on. Is the engine generally quiet because the high iron could be coming from the timing chain slapping around due to worn plastic chain tensioners. It is quite a long chain on these engines.

Whimsey

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#4650003 - 01/29/18 10:48 AM Re: Motorcraft Syn Blend 5w20, 3500km, 03 F150 4.6L [Re: heyleescomet]
oil_film_movies Offline


Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2569
Loc: MN
Low (none) potassium, so its not anti-freeze radiator coolant contaminating and causing extra wear.
Normal silicon, so its not a bad air box and/or filter leaks.
I would certainly not use Motorcraft oil filters since they have a reputation for getting holes in their media. They are made by Purolator who also has that reputation. Your choice of NAPA Gold oil filter is good, although a Fram Ultra is slightly better than those. Might get your insolubles of 0.3 down to 0.1.

Some of the excess wear can certainly be caused by rough cold weather. Not all of it can be blamed on that.

Wow. Here is what I'd do. Put in Valvoline full-syn with MaxLife (high mileage oil) 0w20 for those cold starts and a very good additive package, as its a dexos1 high-rated oil. Fram Ultra oil filter for the best cleaning ability. 1 bottle of LiquiMoly Ceratec to get some hex-boron and moly in there filling surface asperities.

On older engines that begin wearing a lot at your kilometers, I suspect the original surface hardening of the steel internal parts might not have been deep enough, which means you could have worn through the original low-depth layer. This could have been a process control issue in the timing chain or cam lobes or other iron parts. Pure speculation on my part. Occasionally some new parts have their lives shortened by improper original surface hardening, and there are shades of gray in how bad it could be.

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