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32% of used car trade ins are underwater #4648727
01/28/18 09:19 AM
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Mr Nice Offline OP
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32% of used car trade ins are underwater in recent Edmunds report.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-2...-are-underwater


Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648730
01/28/18 09:22 AM
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I'm surprised it's only 32%.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648732
01/28/18 09:24 AM
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No surprise there. Cars are super expensive and they depreciate a lot. Most people get tired of their vehicles in 4-5 years.
Many also don't have big down payments or car equity to trade in so it is a vicious cycle.

Last edited by ZZman; 01/28/18 09:26 AM.

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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Quattro Pete] #4648733
01/28/18 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
I'm surprised it's only 32%.


So am i!


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648736
01/28/18 09:25 AM
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I don't understand this:

which means that dealers lenders are willing to accept an immediate loss for new transactions

Any negative equity is rolled into the new loan so how are the lenders taking a loss?

Last edited by Leo99; 01/28/18 09:26 AM.

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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648739
01/28/18 09:28 AM
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*If people stuck to paying for new vehicles in 4 years or less this would not occur.

Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Leo99] #4648747
01/28/18 09:31 AM
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I didn't understand that either, buy from further reading it sounds like they expect a large number of these loans to go into default with the lenders not getting their money back

Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Leo99] #4648751
01/28/18 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
I don't understand this:

which means that dealers lenders are willing to accept an immediate loss for new transactions

Any negative equity is rolled into the new loan so how are the lenders taking a loss?


In reading the article the consumer can get into an unsustainable cycle.

Owe $15k on car worth $10k, they roll $5k onto the new loan. You buy a $25k car with a trade in and no down payment and driving off the lot you owe $30k.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648760
01/28/18 09:46 AM
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It's insanity. There's perfectly good new cars available for less than $15K. An excellent job of marketing by auto manufacturers.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648765
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It still is consumer thinking paying now in 5-8 year loan terms. Depreciation out paces the payment and surprise you are upside down.

Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: NibbanaBanana] #4648781
01/28/18 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: NibbanaBanana
It's insanity. There's perfectly good new cars available for less than $15K. An excellent job of marketing by auto manufacturers.


These are good cars?

10 Best New Cars Under $15,000
2016 Hyundai Accent - MSRP $14,745.
2016 Nissan Versa Note - $14,230.
2016 Chevrolet Spark - MSRP $12,660.
2015 Mitsubishi Mirage - MSRP $12,995.
2016 Toyota Yaris - MSRP $14,895.
2016 Chevrolet Sonic - MSRP $14,345.
2016 Ford Fiesta - MSRP $14,580.
2016 Kia Rio - MSRP $14,165.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Leo99] #4648783
01/28/18 10:03 AM
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Quote:
which means that dealers lenders are willing to accept an immediate loss for new transactions

Any negative equity is rolled into the new loan so how are the lenders taking a loss?


Given that 625 credit score and up can finance over 100% of the value of the car plus and hard adds, it isn't hard.

They then charge interest on the greater amount and make money, not lose it.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: Mr Nice] #4648784
01/28/18 10:03 AM
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Artem Offline
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People need to keep their cars for longer, until it's paid off, AND THEN you're free to go trade it in if you want. Use that 2-3k car value as your down payment on the next one, of you want.

I have a low APR on my Mazda 3 and have been paying $50 extra each month. Once it's paid off this year, it will have maybe 70-80k on it and is in MINT CONDITION. I plan to use it for an additional 5 years PAYMENT FREE before I even begin to think about getting another car payment.

People these days just can't manage their money nor their desires.


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: AZjeff] #4648785
01/28/18 10:04 AM
01/28/18 10:04 AM
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One of those cars will hit 300k with just maintenance


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Re: 32% of used car trade ins are underwater [Re: AZjeff] #4648787
01/28/18 10:07 AM
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Artem Offline
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Florida
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: NibbanaBanana
It's insanity. There's perfectly good new cars available for less than $15K. An excellent job of marketing by auto manufacturers.


These are good cars?

10 Best New Cars Under $15,000
2016 Hyundai Accent - MSRP $14,745.
2016 Nissan Versa Note - $14,230.
2016 Chevrolet Spark - MSRP $12,660.
2015 Mitsubishi Mirage - MSRP $12,995.
2016 Toyota Yaris - MSRP $14,895.
2016 Chevrolet Sonic - MSRP $14,345.
2016 Ford Fiesta - MSRP $14,580.
2016 Kia Rio - MSRP $14,165.



crackmeup

The reality is, the people who technically NEED to buy those cars because it's in their budget, end up buying some $32,000 Benz instead and then struggle with the $800 monthly payment. But hey, at least they look good driving to work... to McDonalds.


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