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XG10575 5,100 miles #4647464
01/26/18 09:07 PM
01/26/18 09:07 PM
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Kentucky
JeePing Offline OP
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Fram XG10575, 5100 miles, oil monitor still was showing 36%, Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 in a 2015 5.3 GMC 40,223 miles at change, ran sense beginning of last June. Reason for a short run is because I'm not sure on maintenance history sense the truck is new to me.
Filter did great, as expected.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/g71sVhE7B2mjHeP52

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8KuVFE2sg8Yaw8Zk2

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https://photos.app.goo.gl/MN6oh7K9WfZRfHoi1

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BzSqCnYqKBFQJ58A2


I'm a bit surprised the amount of sludge inside the filter. I'm probably going to run this change 5k miles again. Hopefully it wont look as bad as this. Put on same filter and 7qt of PP 0w20 and 1 gt of castrol magnatec 0w20

https://photos.app.goo.gl/knlHWc7sYfGqcPpo2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZhjTKCtSaabi5Af82

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wMlI2iJOwYdoYmzu2


If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647517
01/26/18 10:11 PM
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Looks like the Pennzoil and Fram are working well for you and doing what they were designed to do. I wish Pennzoil could last in my Montero...





Respectfully,

Pajero!


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

1994 Montero SR 3.5 DOHC, 133,xxx
Fram Ultra/ Snorkel with Pre-filter
K-9-Co-pilot
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647520
01/26/18 10:14 PM
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Kentucky
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I can't edit my original post to embed pictures.



































If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647623
01/27/18 05:38 AM
01/27/18 05:38 AM
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Looks very good, but it's sad to see that crud in such a short run in a vehicle with such low mileage.

I would run some $4 filters and some Dexos approved synthetic for *3k. Disregard the OLM.

Last edited by dlundblad; 01/27/18 05:45 AM.

03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647657
01/27/18 07:16 AM
01/27/18 07:16 AM
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Kentucky
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Thanks for the input. Yes it is sad, kind of took me by surprise actually. I might do that, run only 3k and see what it looks like. I get those ultras on ebay for five bucks delivered to my door, so I'm going to stick with them even though I know its a waste to run such filter for 3k to 5 k miles.


If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: dlundblad] #4647659
01/27/18 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Looks very good, but it's sad to see that crud in such a short run in a vehicle with such low mileage.

I would run some $4 filters and some Dexos approved synthetic for *3k. Disregard the OLM.


Yeah, I'd bet that engine had non DEXOS bulk swill in it for long while


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: Pajero] #4647663
01/27/18 07:18 AM
01/27/18 07:18 AM
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Kentucky
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Originally Posted By: Pajero
Looks like the Pennzoil and Fram are working well for you and doing what they were designed to do. I wish Pennzoil could last in my Montero...





Respectfully,

Pajero!


Thanks! and yes oil did an excellent job! Why is it not working for you?


If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647674
01/27/18 07:42 AM
01/27/18 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: JeePing
Thanks for the input. Yes it is sad, kind of took me by surprise actually. I might do that, run only 3k and see what it looks like. I get those ultras on ebay for five bucks delivered to my door, so I'm going to stick with them even though I know its a waste to run such filter for 3k to 5 k miles.


If I could get them for that, I'd use them too even though I wasn't reaping the full benefit of them.

Curious on that crud? Are people's thoughts, due to the fact Pennzoil was used, that the oil did some major cleaning, or is it the fact an Ultra was used, or a combination of the 2, that is showing this?

I am looking forward to the next UOA/filter C&P to see if this stops or continues?


2017 Chevy Impala 3.6 L.
2013 Ram 5.7 L Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
2008 Chevy Malibu 2.4 L Ecotec
Pennzoil Platinum and/or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in all 3.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647675
01/27/18 07:42 AM
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JeePing asked, "Why is it not working for you?" I had the same Q.

Did you do an oil analysis?

Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647918
01/27/18 10:59 AM
01/27/18 10:59 AM
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I think dlundblad and Car51 made good observations. Non approved oil was run for too long. Switching to a DEXOS specified oil for 3K mile intervals is a good idea. When the observed dirt between pleats drops off, you will know it is safe to lengthen the OCI/FCI again. If the oil pan is easy to pull on this one, you might consider cleaning the oil pan.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: WellOiled] #4647924
01/27/18 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled
I think dlundblad and Car51 made good observations. Non approved oil was run for too long. Switching to a DEXOS specified oil for 3K mile intervals is a good idea. When the observed dirt between pleats drops off, you will know it is safe to lengthen the OCI/FCI again. If the oil pan is easy to pull on this one, you might consider cleaning the oil pan.


Best post so far smile


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: WellOiled] #4647948
01/27/18 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled
I think dlundblad and Car51 made good observations. Non approved oil was run for too long. Switching to a DEXOS specified oil for 3K mile intervals is a good idea. When the observed dirt between pleats drops off, you will know it is safe to lengthen the OCI/FCI again. If the oil pan is easy to pull on this one, you might consider cleaning the oil pan.


Makes sense.


2017 Chevy Impala 3.6 L.
2013 Ram 5.7 L Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
2008 Chevy Malibu 2.4 L Ecotec
Pennzoil Platinum and/or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in all 3.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4647967
01/27/18 12:00 PM
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Kentucky
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Thanks for the input guys. I'm not sure running this oil change 3k miles would make for a good comparison. Then one might argue that the reason there is less crud is because of shorter run. I'm probably going to go ahead with 5k mile interval just to keep it about same conditions. This last oil/filter had a 1200 mile trip towing a trailer with my ~900 pound Harley on it.
I'm planing a 800 mile trip here shortly and probably another one this summer again with 1200 miles or so. I put in same filter and just about same oil so this would make for a good comparison between the two oil changes.
Plus I will have inline trans filter to cut open as well at the same time.


Edit: no I did not do UOA.

Last edited by JeePing; 01/27/18 12:04 PM.

If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4648257
01/27/18 06:25 PM
01/27/18 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: JeePing
Thanks for the input. Yes it is sad, kind of took me by surprise actually. I might do that, run only 3k and see what it looks like. I get those ultras on ebay for five bucks delivered to my door, so I'm going to stick with them even though I know its a waste to run such filter for 3k to 5 k miles.


My vehicles always showed more crud in the filter like that due to cold weather driving. Engine runs a lot richer through the warm-up cycle which causes more ring blow-by and carbon deposits in the oil which the filter catches.

Re: XG10575 5,100 miles [Re: JeePing] #4648702
01/28/18 07:49 AM
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ZeeOSix you might be onto something. Also forgot to mention that I ran two tanks of E85 through the truck. From what I understand ethanol will remove carbon deposits from combustion chamber.


If it an't broke, take it a part and see why not.
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