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#4644542 - 01/23/18 10:48 PM CVT fluid?
2zrVios Offline


Registered: 01/13/18
Posts: 16
Loc: San Diego CA
Has anyone tested cvt fluid yet? My Subaru has a cvt and the manual states to inspect every 60k...seems like a stretch but I don't know.

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#4644549 - 01/23/18 11:14 PM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
JustN89 Offline


Registered: 06/27/17
Posts: 470
Loc: DFW
Tested how?

I wouldn't inspect every 60k miles, I would drain and fill every 30-50k miles (depending on the driving conditions/style) and stick with OEM fluids. CVTs are finicky already, no sense in taking unnecessary gambles.

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#4644560 - 01/24/18 12:06 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: JustN89]
2zrVios Offline


Registered: 01/13/18
Posts: 16
Loc: San Diego CA
Originally Posted By: JustN89
Tested how?


A UOA...

30k sounds like a reasonable number, thanks

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#4644624 - 01/24/18 05:30 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20456
Loc: Upstate NY
I will probably go with Amsoil CVT in my Subaru vehicles.
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#4644627 - 01/24/18 05:35 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
Mainia Offline


Registered: 04/06/15
Posts: 205
Loc: Upper midwest
Many have had good outcomes with Amsoil CVT and Valvoline CVT. We could assume Redline CVT would be stellar too. I think we are passed worrying that top tier named CVT oil is something to worry about. Oh, of course "OEM ONLY" worry wort's will always worry. I have yet to see an OEM oil be better in any way then what Amsoil or Redline has offered. I have FULL trust in them "upping the quality of base stocks" and adding a more robust add pack will always exceed what group 3 OEM "price point" oils do.


Edited by Mainia (01/24/18 05:39 AM)

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#4644638 - 01/24/18 06:25 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: Mainia]
Kira Online   content


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5231
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
2011 Mitsubishi Outlander @92,000 miles:

Pan drop, filter change (unnecessary), 3 or so quarts drained. 'Twas the color of DARK maple syrup.

Used Amalie Universal Synthetic CVT fluid from the Amaliestore.com.

All Mitsubishi wanted was "J4". The Amalie stuff (product # 160-72886) has J4 listed.

Ready for this? The label says:

-Audi/VW (TL52180;G052 180 A2) -BMW 83 22 0 136 376 83 22 0 429 154 -Chrysler CVTF+4 -Diahatsu CVT Fluid TC, Amix Fluid DC
-Dodge/Jeep (NS-2/CVTF+4) -Ford CVT WSS-M2C-933-A(XT-7QCFT) -Ford (CVT23) (CVT30/Mercon C) -Fujiyuuko i-CVT Fluid, FG
-GM/Saturn (DEX-CVT) -Honda Multimatic Fluid (HMMF) -Hyundai/Kia: SP CVT-1 -Nissan CVT (NS-1, NS-2, NS-3) -Mercedes Benx (236.20)
-Mini Cooper (EZL 799) -Mitsubishi (DiaQueen CVTF-J1; DiaQueen CVTF-J4) -Subaru (NS-2/Lineartronic CVTF) -Suzuki (TC/NS-2/CVT aGreen 1)
-Toyota CVT Fluid TC -VW TL 521 80 (G 052 180)

How 'bout a hand for the typing? So much more involved that a link.

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#4644699 - 01/24/18 07:21 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 12703
Loc: Onondaga County
I would change it. Subaru's CVTs are leagues better than the Nissan ones, but I'd still frequently change. It seems easy enough on the Subarus.
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#4644705 - 01/24/18 07:29 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
Virtus_Probi Offline


Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 3970
Loc: New England
Subaru specifies a special high torque CVT fluid for the FXT and WRX, I bugged the dealer twice about using the right fluid at my 60kmile service and I wouldn't be surprised if I still got the standard stuff. This dealer told me my PCV valve would be replaced at that service and the didn't bother because it was hard (the intercooler needs to come off!)...shame on me for not getting a commitment for them in writing. A PCV is sitting in my basement while I build up courage for pulling the IC myself.
Anyway, I'm not sure how I could know an aftermarket fluid is going to be a suitable replacement for this high torque Subaru CVT stuff...
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#4644720 - 01/24/18 07:57 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: Virtus_Probi]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20456
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Subaru specifies a special high torque CVT fluid for the FXT and WRX, I bugged the dealer twice about using the right fluid at my 60kmile service and I wouldn't be surprised if I still got the standard stuff. This dealer told me my PCV valve would be replaced at that service and the didn't bother because it was hard (the intercooler needs to come off!)...shame on me for not getting a commitment for them in writing. A PCV is sitting in my basement while I build up courage for pulling the IC myself.
Anyway, I'm not sure how I could know an aftermarket fluid is going to be a suitable replacement for this high torque Subaru CVT stuff...


Look on the Amsoil website for your vehicle. Use what they list. You will have excellent CVT fluid for your vehicle.
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2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)


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#4644734 - 01/24/18 08:10 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: Virtus_Probi]
GravelRoad Offline


Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 165
Loc: Virginia
I did two drains and fills with OEM CVTF-II at 10,000 miles. Total of approx 11 quarts.

CVT is a standard TR580. Like Virtus_Probi said, for the turbos a special HIGH TORQUE CVT fluid is used.

Not sure what the older TR690 CVT uses.

Ordered the factory CVT fluid through a local dealer, $11.xx a quart.
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#4644790 - 01/24/18 09:30 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
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Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 2095
Loc: VA
I'd change at 1/2 the factory recommendations. That way I know I am safe.
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#4644832 - 01/24/18 10:19 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 10571
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted By: 2zrVios
Has anyone tested cvt fluid yet? My Subaru has a cvt and the manual states to inspect every 60k...seems like a stretch but I don't know.


I'm not saying you are, but you see a lot of weird, random stuff posted in regards to late model Subaru maintenance recommendations.

Per my 2016 Forester's warranty and maintenance booklet, CVT fluid (all but BRZ models) should be checked every 30K miles and replaced every 24855 miles if used frequently in severe driving conditions. Why 24,855mi I have no idea. What "checked" means I have no idea either and have little faith your average dealer would even be able to check level correctly. There is no CVT fluid change interval listed for normal driving conditions.

If you call my local Subaru/Kia dealer, they say to change the CVT fluid at 100K miles. I don't have a lot of faith in them.

A local transmission shop that I somewhat trust will do a CVT fluid change with (supposedly) Subaru fluid for $199. My point is, all dealers are going to recommend something different from your owner's manual info and there's always other options.


Edited by JTK (01/24/18 10:22 AM)
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#4644846 - 01/24/18 10:39 AM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 10571
Loc: Buffalo, NY
^ Just to add to my post above, I haven't worked up the nerve to attempt a CVT fluid change or front differential oil change on my Forester. It's got a real nice easily accessible drain plug on the trans pan, but the refill plug is in a weird spot on the 2016 for both the CVT fluid and diff oil. Same with the level check plugs. I'm at ~48K miles and would like to get it done. I've done the rear diff which is super easy.

On the other hand, the CVT fluid in our 2016 Nissan Quest is easier to swap out than an engine oil change. I've done 2 drain/fills on it with Nissan NS-3 blue juice.
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#4644932 - 01/24/18 12:26 PM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: JTK]
2zrVios Offline


Registered: 01/13/18
Posts: 16
Loc: San Diego CA
Originally Posted By: JTK
Per my 2016 Forester's warranty and maintenance booklet, CVT fluid (all but BRZ models) should be checked every 30K miles and replaced every 24855 miles if used frequently in severe driving conditions.

Yes you are correct. I took the service departments word as a 60k item, my my manual does in fact say to inspect every 30k. thanks for clearing that up.

Now another question, do you thing CVT's shed a lot of metal and clutch material in their first break-in period....enough to warrant a earlier first fluid change?

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#4645185 - 01/24/18 04:48 PM Re: CVT fluid? [Re: 2zrVios]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6156
Loc: USA
Castrol CVT is on sale at Autozone for $5/qt until 2/8. But you have to buy in multiples of two smile

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