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'00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN #4644340
01/23/18 07:18 PM
01/23/18 07:18 PM
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con't from https://tinyurl.com/ybsetb28
severity 1. 95% highway. 2nd oc with M1 10w30. top off of 1.5 quarts was M1HM 10w30. Fram tg3600, 18 months in service

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OIL             	M1&M1HM 10w30	M1 10w30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30 	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ASL 5W30	HDD 5W30	HDD 5W30	HDD 5W30	TSO 0W30	TSO 0W30	TSO 0W30	HDD 5W30	TSO 0W30	FF
MILES(TIME IN USE)    	11.1k		8129		15K		10.3K 		11.5K		9K		17.1k		9.9K		8K		3.4K		14.6K		12.9K		3.8K		11.8K		6K		8.4K		14.9K		13.4K		2.6K		11.3K		27.5K		18.9K		13.9K		9688		1716
O&F CHANGED     	Y		Y		Y		N		Y		Y		Y		Y		Y		N		Y		N		N		Y		N		Y		N		Y		N		Y		Y		N		Y		Y		Y
MILES           	250.8K		239.7K		231.5K		227K		207K		195K		186K		169K		159K		154K		151K		149K		140K		136K		131K		125K		109K		94K		83K		81K		69K		61K		41.8K		27.1K		1716
MAKEUP OIL		1.5		.5		1		0		0		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		0		0		0				1		1		0		2		0
SAMPLE TAKEN    	12-JAN-18	14-JUL-16	16-DEC-15	7-JUL-15	28-MAY-13	31-JUL-12	21-DEC-11	18-AUG-10	17-FEB-10	31-AUG-09	30-APR-09	25-FEB-07	9-NOV-06	8-OCT-06	28-FEB-06	19-NOV-05	2-SEP-03	21-DEC-02	30-JUL-02	18-JUL-02	22-MAR-02	31-JAN-02	6-JUL-01	11-SEP-00	19-NOV-99
LAB             	OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI

IRON            	27		29		25		17		21		13		24		18		14		8		21		15		5		19		13		41		62		111		16		49		91		63		48		45		36
CHROMIUM        	1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		2		2		0		0		2		1		1		1		0
NICKEL         		2		1		1		0		1		1		1		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		3		2		1		2		1
ALUMINUM		2		2		4		4		3		1		7		3		3		1		3		2		2		7		3		8		10		14		9		10		6		12		9		12		9
COPPER  		10		5		13		9		8		4		10		7		6		12		8		10		4		15		8		17		42		55		9		22		4		20		14		24		131
LEAD    		3		1		3		2		1		1		5		3		2		1		5		9		0		5		1		6		17		21		3		8		7		7		8		6		9
TIN     		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		2		2		3		2		1		1
CADMIUM 		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0																0		0		0		0		0		0		0
SILVER			0		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
VANADIUM		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
SILICON			17		17		22		20		34		23		37		43		32		18		13		18		11		24		21		20		40		27		9		27		37		37		50		54		139
SODIUM			4		3		7		7		8		7		11		8		7		5		10		9		0		11		0		0		14		13		2		3		6		5		5		5		10
POTASSIUM       	2		1		4		1		2		0		0		0		1		1		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0				
TITANIUM		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
MOLYBDENUM		92		94		175		176		151		151		60		54		53		51		48		51		50		3		1		3		7		7		0		5		10		7		5		8		0
ANTIMONY		0		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		
MANGANESE		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0																1		1		1		1		1		1		4
LITHIUM			0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		
BORON           	44		56		61		61		55		79		61		101		152		221		89		117		215		29		57		43		1		1		32		34		39		36		21		45		104
MAGNESIUM       	820		700		18		18		18		16		16		16		26		24		84		115		103		923		908		783		43		108		34		395		351		338		46		353		69
CALCIUM			1255		1490		4104		4109		3580		3686		3534		3203		3349		3414		3098		3360		3246		2717		2652		2716		3930		4249		4333		3132		3147		3181		4345		3181		2237
BARIUM          	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		5		0		0		0		0		0		0		5
PHOSPHOROUS    		726		731		703		736		657		599		653		645		640		697		614		694		615		894		1093		1051		1165		1073		1216		1242		1239		1293		1267		1243		1160
ZINC			869		852		892		867		777		687		817		782		755		853		790		958		936		1255		1391		1283		1279		1299		1355		1569		1541		1515		1348		1536		1392
	      
WATER         		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
cSt @ 212F   		11.8		11.3		12.5		11.9		11.7		11.3		13.1		11.6		11.5		10.9		15.2		13.06		11.65		15.95		13.79		13.55		16.13		15.27		11.5		16.7		16		13.5		15.9		11.5		9.5
FUEL          		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1.2
TAN			2.68		2.81		4.08		3.34		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R	
TBN           		4.2		4.28		3.09		3.27		3.34		3.42		2.79		4.02		4.29		4.91		3.88		4.78		9.92		4.54		6.75		7.01		4		9.4		12.8		6		7.9		8.4		8.7		8.1		5.7
OXIDATION     		15		16		59		57		56		56		57		57		44		41		15		32		25		30		24		16		14		23		23.3		14.4		27.8		20		33.3		10		12.2
NITRATION     		13		12		15		14		16		16		33		26		24		21		17		24		20		27		17		19		9		14		14.3		31.4		50		40		35.7		22.9		11.4



Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: pb] #4644349
01/23/18 07:25 PM
01/23/18 07:25 PM
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What were some of the previous fills? ATM?

Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: pb] #4644444
01/23/18 08:33 PM
01/23/18 08:33 PM
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Posts: 7,151
Waco, TX
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Pretty good!

Not bad wear at all....

What oil had a TAN of 4.08?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: pb] #4644509
01/23/18 09:38 PM
01/23/18 09:38 PM
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Malaysia
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Good metal wear rates.
The oil is still serviceable.

Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: pb] #4644683
01/24/18 07:07 AM
01/24/18 07:07 AM
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Posts: 7,625
Indianapolis, IN
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Now that's what I call a good data stream!

Congratulations! You are one of the VERY FEW BITOGers that can say you have "real" data.

You need about 5 more to be statistically viable; takes 30 samples minimum to understand normal variation.

Keep on it!


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: pb] #4644757
01/24/18 08:44 AM
01/24/18 08:44 AM
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Virginia
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Great post - lots of #'s to dive into. Maybe include a breakdown of the previous oil acronyms. Thanks!


92 Suburban 2500 7.4L 58k M1_0w40 5yr OCI
99 Olds Aurora 4.0L 91K M1_5w30 5yr OCI
13 Dodge Dart 2.0L 30k PP 0w20 OLM OCI
70 Camaro 5.7L 59k
Re: '00 windstar 3.8L v6 M1 10w30 11k miles w/ TAN [Re: bigt61] #4644857
01/24/18 10:59 AM
01/24/18 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: bigt61
Great post - lots of #'s to dive into. Maybe include a breakdown of the previous oil acronyms. Thanks!

All Amsoil acronyms. https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2880.pdf See the last page of that pdf. (TSO is a previous version of Amsoil 0w30)


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