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#4642364 - 01/21/18 09:00 PM Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry
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This is TGMO 0W-16 2018 Camry factory fill despite what BL put on the report. Also, the engine is an I4 A25A-FKS.

Thoughts on additive pack and factory fill wear metals?

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#4642371 - 01/21/18 09:09 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Interesting. Seems to be an oil intended to pass SN+/GF6 standards for LSPI prevention with the low calcium, high magnesium formula. And I wonder if the molybdenum is from assembly lubes or is part of the oil package? Sure is a lot of it.

Wear metals look good for a brand new engine. Copper and silicon should wash out in the next OCI. Also interesting Blackstone doesnít seem to know an appropriate viscosity range for 0w-16.

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#4642374 - 01/21/18 09:11 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Lots of moly, either from assembly lube or Toyota likes to use a Mazda-like amount of moly in original motor oil.
Actually iron is surprisingly low for a brand new engine.
Copper was high, but probably normal.
Funny how Blackstone labelled a 0w10.
Your kv100 viscosity looks like new 0w16 oil. If it was 0w20, it would be about 8 (yours is 6.4).
I'd be soooooo tempted to use 0w20 in that engine. "Visco-phobia", I know.

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#4642378 - 01/21/18 09:13 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Lot's of "noise" here. Very hard to determine wear from break-in. Thanks for the post though, OP.
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#4642379 - 01/21/18 09:18 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Lots of moly, either from assembly lube or Toyota likes to use a Mazda-like amount of moly in original motor oil.
Actually iron is surprisingly low for a brand new engine.
Copper was high, but probably normal.
Funny how Blackstone labelled a 0w10.
Your kv100 viscosity looks like new 0w16 oil. If it was 0w20, it would be about 8 (yours is 6.4).
I'd be soooooo tempted to use 0w20 in that engine. "Visco-phobia", I know.


Thanks for the input. I refilled with 0W-20. Don't really trust a kv100 approaching 6 and am definitely not paying nearly $10 a quart for TGMO 0W-16.

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#4642395 - 01/21/18 09:44 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: Danh]
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Originally Posted By: Danh
And I wonder if the molybdenum is from assembly lubes or is part of the oil package? Sure is a lot of it.


Definitely assembly lube. Almost definitely in the oil as well.
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#4642418 - 01/21/18 10:38 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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The Blackstone comment mentions a ďfair amount of metals and siliconĒ. The silicon is typical of a new engine as is copper but your metal numbers are really very very low for a break in oil change. I would be very pleased with that report.

Itís a keeper.
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#4642420 - 01/21/18 10:46 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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My opinion,coming from a brand new car with only 4000 miles on it,there are absolutely zero wear metals!! I think it looks great!
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#4642435 - 01/21/18 11:10 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
My opinion,coming from a brand new car with only 4000 miles on it,there are absolutely zero wear metals!! I think it looks great!



Exactly. I donít think Iíve ever seen a break in uoa with numbers that low.
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#4642446 - 01/21/18 11:23 PM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Thanks for posting.
Is there improvement in surface technology/finishing and manufacturing compared to previous year model ?

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#4642524 - 01/22/18 05:32 AM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Originally Posted By: kaminski54
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Lots of moly, either from assembly lube or Toyota likes to use a Mazda-like amount of moly in original motor oil.
Actually iron is surprisingly low for a brand new engine.
Copper was high, but probably normal.
Funny how Blackstone labelled a 0w10.
Your kv100 viscosity looks like new 0w16 oil. If it was 0w20, it would be about 8 (yours is 6.4).
I'd be soooooo tempted to use 0w20 in that engine. "Visco-phobia", I know.


Thanks for the input. I refilled with 0W-20. Don't really trust a kv100 approaching 6 and am definitely not paying nearly $10 a quart for TGMO 0W-16.


Honestly ?

I'd chose a 0W16 over a japanese 0W20 probably any day...their push for the 16 grade seemed to be because they'd manipulated the heck out of SAE, J300, and API to get a fix that was part way towards their goals.

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#4642561 - 01/22/18 06:52 AM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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Give it time people didnít trust 0W20 when it came out. Now itís used without issue. Looks great.
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#4642641 - 01/22/18 08:46 AM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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When we have an engine go over 60K on 0w20. Ill start trusting it. So far no luck out of 4 cars in the past decade. Mine gets driven hard the wife's get driven "normally' but it's not garaged in the Winter and will see lots of sub freezing starts with minimal warmup.
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#4642642 - 01/22/18 08:48 AM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: kaminski54]
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That engine will wear in more on the next oil change with less moly.

Oil looks like XOM with assy lube or a breakin shooter.
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#4642652 - 01/22/18 08:53 AM Re: Here it is!!! First TGMO 0W-16 UOA 2018 I4 Camry [Re: ARB1977]
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Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Give it time people didnít trust 0W20 when it came out. Now itís used without issue. Looks great.

One attractive thing about 0w16 is that they need to put in some powerful boundary lubrication surface tribofilms for both cold and hot conditions.
Ravenol was making this point in:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4402111/Ravenol_0W16_video
Scroll down for the English version.....
They have tri-nuke moly and organic friction modifiers (maybe esters).




Edited by oil_film_movies (01/22/18 08:56 AM)

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