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Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes #4640309
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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640351
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Smoking palm trees at 4:48 ... cool. So a little story about a test team at the company I work for. They were somewhere in Nevada doing a remote test for the company, and a military nuclear test occurred up wind from them. The team was supposed to have been given notice to evacuate the area before the test occurred, but there were not notified and all were exposed to radiation. Years later they all developed some kind of cancer and passed away.

Monkeys shouldn't be playing with nuclear devices. eek

Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640370
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Interesting subject.

The details on Castle Bravo and why the yield was unexpectedly high is an interesting story. If I remember correctly, there was some stuff they thought wouldn't be involved in the reaction, but due to the nuclear reaction of the explosion (nuclear synthesis?), it got converted to "fuel" and gave them more bang than they expected.

Tsar Bomba was a big, big Russian nuke.

The US almost nuked North Carolina in 1961.

There's some amazing stories involving nuclear power and bombs.


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640410
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You might find this interesting. From 1945-1998 there were this many nuclear tests.

USA 1032
USSR/Russia 715
France 210
China 45
UK 45
India 4
Pakistan 2

An interesting but disturbing video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

Scott

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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640438
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Operation Upshot Knothole also is known for the radiation effects on the cast and crew of the movie The Conqueror, starring John Wayne and Susan Hayward. A significant portion of those people developed cancer and died as a result.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(film)


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640448
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Has any one ever wondered if the spike in cancers is from the Nuke tests?


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: CT8] #4640461
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Has any one ever wondered if the spike in cancers is from the Nuke tests?



Itís very hard to be specific on that but my recollection is that thyroid issues could be claimed as caused by radiation. The downwinders are one example in the PNW, due to Hanford.


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: CT8] #4640477
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Has any one ever wondered if the spike in cancers is from the Nuke tests?


Back in the '90s, I read a few papers on the possibility of plutonium particles landing on tobacco crops and being ingested through smoke, lodging deep in tissues, and it's off to the races from there. Similarly the premise was that a plutonium particle could lodge in a skin pore or similar.

There was enough airborne plutonium to give everybody cancer multiple times.

Been trying to find those papers in recent years, but no luck.

Before anyone poopooes the idea, remember that Kodak Eastman were compensated quite heavily due to the corn stalks that they used to package film in being radioactive enough to mess with the film (strawboard)

Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640545
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Radioactive tamale wrappers? Aw schucks

Saw a PBS program demystifying the famous cattle mutilations in the US SW as testing exposure when someone had the bright idea of fracking a geological formation to release natural gas, and it did, seeping, useless, radioactive natural gas out of the ground. Tissue samples for exposure effects. Project Gasbuggy.

Beef - it's what's for dinner!

My wife was living in Norway downwind of Chernobyl when it melted down. The government had to relax their food purity standards for radiation levels in staples like reindeer meat & chicken when that happened.


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: SLO_Town] #4640546
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Originally Posted By: SLO_Town

An interesting but disturbing video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

Scott


I remember this! About a decade ago I went on a declassified-nuke-video downloading spree, and I saw this video as well. Still have most of the vids on the HD. It's crazy given our storied past with anthropogenic nuclear pollution. We should all apparently be dead or severely mutated by now. Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be wastelands, but instead it's the year 2018 where medical science covets radioactive isotopes from nuclear power plants to inject into peoples' bloodstream to indiscriminately obliterate cell germ lines.... what a world!

Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: PimTac] #4640547
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Operation Upshot Knothole also is known for the radiation effects on the cast and crew of the movie The Conqueror, starring John Wayne and Susan Hayward. A significant portion of those people developed cancer and died as a result.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(film)


John Wayne smoked filterless cigarettes like a chimney for decades as well, it wasn't uncommon among the age group on that movie set.

I have some thyroid nodules my oncologist / hematologist referred me to see an endocrinologist about. He kept asking me about unusual radiation exposure, but my cancer was treated solely by surgery & chemo and I was very concientious about radioactive instrumentation I worked with during my working years. So far, no blood test results of concern and the nodules aren't growing, and are too small for biopsy or surgical removal.


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Shannow] #4640574
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ďJohn Wayne smoked filterless cigarettes like a chimney for decades as well, it wasn't uncommon among the age group on that movie set.ď


Thatís correct and a reason why I mentioned in a follow up post albeit vaguely that trying to blame the cancer on any one particular thing is hard to do. Mesothelioma is directly related to asbestos exposure but thatís not cancer of course. The most common item is the thyroid gland. Smoking was fashionable in that era. The point after all was said and done is that the cancer rate among the movie crew was well above the average.

If 60-70% of the people living in your block got cancer I would be thinking that something is amiss. I think that is what the article was trying to convey but itís still inconclusive.

After the great Tohoku Earthquake and triple catastrophe of 2011, it was forecasted by some that cancers might spike due to all the different radioactive particles and exposure. It might be too soon yet to see the effect but the fear alarmists quieted down very quickly afterwards.


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Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: PimTac] #4640595
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There's a big difference between recieving doses of radiation, and ingesting radioactive particles, that lodge and cause disaster.

Taiwan, some buildings were built with steel that had received Co60 contamination, and the health outcomes for the residents were better than average...it was their background radiation, not a lodged particle.

Re: Dark 5 youtube channel - interesting failed nukes [Re: Rick in PA] #4640599
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Originally Posted By: Rick in PA
Interesting subject.

The details on Castle Bravo and why the yield was unexpectedly high is an interesting story. If I remember correctly, there was some stuff they thought wouldn't be involved in the reaction, but due to the nuclear reaction of the explosion (nuclear synthesis?), it got converted to "fuel" and gave them more bang than they expected.

Tsar Bomba was a big, big Russian nuke.

The US almost nuked North Carolina in 1961.

There's some amazing stories involving nuclear power and bombs.


Stupidity is hardly ever amazing, especially in the context of nuclear power and bombs.

Its an unlimited natural reasource, and, like plutonium, there's a historically high local concentration in the UK.

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This is linked at the end...


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