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#4639026 - 01/18/18 05:12 PM 1965 Buda 4DB153
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This is the oil I drained from the sump after I bought the forklift. Hasn't been run in 15 years or so and was badly abused, no air cleaner and lots the of sludge. Despite the abuse I was able to get the engine running again and was surprised how well it ran, good oil pressure and little blow-by. I had the oil pan off and cleaned everything up and filled it with fresh Rotella T 15W40. I'll run the engine 20 hours and take a new sample and see how its doing. Here's the sample:


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#4639064 - 01/18/18 05:50 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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If it had not been run in 15 years, the bores probably has some rust in them. I used to have a 93 olds that i bought from senior and it sat for 4 years, the iron levels were high from rust in the bore. The other levels are not bad. The lead could be from leaded fuel or particle streak from the silicon level.


Edited by spasm3 (01/18/18 05:52 PM)
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#4639066 - 01/18/18 05:51 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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I've got a Buda 4B153 in a Cockshutt 30 tractor. If you engine ever goes bad, scrap the whole thing. Parts for this engine are available, but cost prohibitive.

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#4639070 - 01/18/18 05:57 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Wow!
I'll be interested in seeing your 20 hr follow-up UOA.
Nice save of this vintage machine which would otherwise likely have ended up scrapped.
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#4639076 - 01/18/18 06:01 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Maybe I haven't been paying attention. I don't remember ever seeing that high a count in the first 5 metals before. Copper and lead is bearing material. Any idea what the warm oil pressure is? What kinda service is the unit gonna see?


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#4639079 - 01/18/18 06:02 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Yeah, the iron is high, but to be expected smile

Dunno how hard it is to get the injectors out ... But a couple of tablespoons on MMO in each cylinder will help loads. Rusted bores tend to load the top ring with iron oxide. The MMO will help carry it past if small enough. If to big, it'll circulate and blow out the exhaust eventually.
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#4639086 - 01/18/18 06:04 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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True, it's very nasty. I figured that when I took the pan off and the filter apart.:)

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#4639091 - 01/18/18 06:07 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: andyd]
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Originally Posted By: andyd
Maybe I haven't been paying attention. I don't remember ever seeing that high a count in the first 5 metals before. Copper and lead is bearing material. Any idea what the warm oil pressure is? What kinda service is the unit gonna see?


Yes very high indeed,idle oil pressure is good at 50 psi cold and 30 hot with fresh Rotella 15W40.

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#4639119 - 01/18/18 06:29 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Originally Posted By: A310
. I'll run the engine 20 hours and take a new sample and see how its doing.




Does it have an oil filter? If not, i'd run it far less and then wait until the change after next for a sample.
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#4639134 - 01/18/18 06:41 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Saw the video of your little Buda up and running again, cool to bring back old tired iron to running condition once again. Given it was run without an air filter and god knows how long that oil has been in there this could've been worse. The silicon shows the toll from countless hours without air filtration and the rest of the wear metals are what you'd expect after seeing the silicon. The lack of full flow filtration and a bypass only filter seems to be working since insolubles are low given everything else that was going on here. These little old Diesel engines, as long as they have enough compression to start can take a heck of a beating and still run as evidenced here. Thanks for sharing!
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#4639174 - 01/18/18 07:08 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: spasm3]
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: A310
. I'll run the engine 20 hours and take a new sample and see how its doing.




Does it have an oil filter? If not, i'd run it far less and then wait until the change after next for a sample.


No oil filter, but has a 10 Um bypass filter, I did flush the oil system and cleaned everything up. I then ran the engine for an hr and drained the oil and replaced again with fresh oil. I've run it up for 3 hrs now flushing the very nasty coolant system and the oil is still clean. I'll keep a close eye on it for some time before I'll relax.

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#4639188 - 01/18/18 07:20 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Saw the video of your little Buda up and running again, cool to bring back old tired iron to running condition once again. Given it was run without an air filter and god knows how long that oil has been in there this could've been worse. The silicon shows the toll from countless hours without air filtration and the rest of the wear metals are what you'd expect after seeing the silicon. The lack of full flow filtration and a bypass only filter seems to be working since insolubles are low given everything else that was going on here. These little old Diesel engines, as long as they have enough compression to start can take a heck of a beating and still run as evidenced here. Thanks for sharing!


True, it's not the worst engine I've got back running, but a close second. I will say that it's the worst coolant system I've ever seen. I spent 5 days welding on that to get the cracks fixed and water tight again and flushed the coolant system 7 times before the water was clean.
I was surprised with how well it ran after countless hours working on it. I had to remove the injection pump again as the governor swivel shaft broke. I pick the new shaft up tomorrow along with 2 new injector nozzles, so that completes the engine work. Transmission is next with a throw-out bearing and fluid change.:)

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#4639190 - 01/18/18 07:22 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Loc: Kelowna, BC, Canada
If anyone's interested following along as I get this wreck back into service here's a link to the latest video.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsygZUe9ugc

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#4639191 - 01/18/18 07:25 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: fdcg27]
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Loc: Kelowna, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Wow!
I'll be interested in seeing your 20 hr follow-up UOA.
Nice save of this vintage machine which would otherwise likely have ended up scrapped.


Thanks, I found it being parted out and ended up buying the whole forklift for less than scrap.:)

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#4639219 - 01/18/18 07:52 PM Re: 1965 Buda 4DB153 [Re: A310]
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Looks like you are enjoying your project. My father was a welder. He used to say the only thing he could not fix was the crack of dawn and a broken heart. I am impressed with your progress!
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