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#4637945 - 01/17/18 05:18 PM Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique?
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Green is the new Purple! Sorry, Royal Purple-dye fans. Green is in. grin2 Practical for finding leaks, as its a UV dye.

Are the tungsten-based compounds really reducing friction that much? This is an unusual ingredient. Typically moly is used for FM. Maybe esters.

Noticing its not dexos1 qualified. And not available in 0w20, only in GF-5 5w30 and euro-spec 5w40 thick stuff.

They claim "up to" 15% less friction and 30% less wear, compared to an unknown reference, typical marketing logic. Leaves us hanging.




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#4637968 - 01/17/18 05:31 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Nothing new and different.

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#4637978 - 01/17/18 05:39 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Trav, they used Tungsten a while back! (Now Castrol brags about a smidge of Titanium, so I guess better.(?))

There must be a reason why Tungsten (atomic symbol is W) never caught on.
If it's really better, and there is a big 15% friction reduction as LM marketing says, then wondering why SOPUS-XOM-BP-Oronite-Lubrizol-Infineum-Afton hasn't jumped on board. Marketing suggestion: "W" for the "Win"

LiquiMoly appears to be the Amsoil of Germany: They probably make good products, yet don't always bother to actually have the real performance specs passed officially. See where they say "Recommended for..." all over the place, just like Amsoil.

Also notice the "Start-Stop" symbol on the front of the jug. Really wondering if the W FM would help in start-stop as claimed.


Edited by oil_film_movies (01/17/18 05:46 PM)

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#4637992 - 01/17/18 05:48 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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No idea. I get the feeling they all try to produce a "new and improved" formulation so they have something to market.
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#4637997 - 01/17/18 05:50 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
No idea. I get the feeling they all try to produce a "new and improved" formulation so they have something to market.


Yes and increase the price.
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#4638020 - 01/17/18 06:13 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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"The presence of slightly radioactive dye gives the oil a distinctive glow under ultraviolet light." -- https://blog.ecstuning.com/2018/01/03/liqui-moly-the-ultimate-friction-control/ liar crackmeup
ECS Tuning shouldn't be allowed to write about motor oils. This proves it.
And then they recommend the SN GF-5 5w30 (low HTHS by German standards) for about every BMW engine ever made. I don't think many of the slightly older BMW engines (more than about 8 years back) really should be using LL-01FE-style low-HTHS oils. This oil might be fine for newer BMW engines, but is ECS Tuning really noticing this is a GF-5 oil???


Edited by oil_film_movies (01/17/18 06:22 PM)

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#4638027 - 01/17/18 06:19 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Who knows?
This might be the next gotta have add.
Would be nice to hear from SOJ on this metallic add, what it does as well as its downsides, of which there have to be some.
Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason that tungsten appears as "W" on a periodic table.
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#4638032 - 01/17/18 06:21 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Yes, I remember Castrol with 'Liquid Tungsten' from way back. Oh how easily we were impressed back in the '60s!

It could simply be a bit of inorganic Tungsten Disulphide (WS2) dispersed in the oil and notionally reducing friction in much the same way as Molybdenum Disulphide does.

Alternatively it could be an oil soluble Tungsten. A quick look on Google shows that Infineum have pratted around with Tungsten analogues of their tri-nuclear Moly chemistry. I never heard of this going anywhere though. These things are horribly expensive to make and seldom justify themselves in any formulation.

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#4638035 - 01/17/18 06:23 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Who knows?
This might be the next gotta have add.
Would be nice to hear from SOJ on this metallic add, what it does as well as its downsides, of which there have to be some.
Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason that tungsten appears as "W" on a periodic table.



Isn't it something like Wolfrum in Latin or Swedish?

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#4638040 - 01/17/18 06:27 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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SonofJoe, so you're saying W-based FM's might be more expensive than others like moly and/or Ti ones? That may explain right there why W isn't used that much these days. And if moly, esters, and/or Ti FM's work as well, then no advantage to W.....

Of course, it would be nice to know where LM gets their "15% less friction" and "30% less wear" claims.
OK, I may need to email them. I'll feel lucky to get any kind of coherent response.

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#4638041 - 01/17/18 06:28 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: SonofJoe]
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Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason that tungsten appears as "W" on a periodic table.
Isn't it something like Wolfrum in Latin or Swedish?
Shouldn't use "Tu" since it looks too much like "Ti". For sure.

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#4638047 - 01/17/18 06:35 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: SonofJoe]
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Yeah, it lights up when the oil gets to operating temp LOL

Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Isn't it something like Wolfrum in Latin or Swedish?


German

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#4638051 - 01/17/18 06:38 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Who knows?
This might be the next gotta have add.
Would be nice to hear from SOJ on this metallic add, what it does as well as its downsides, of which there have to be some.
Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason that tungsten appears as "W" on a periodic table.

It either comes from Latin or Greek. I canít remember exactly
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#4638055 - 01/17/18 06:41 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Well, SOJ got it first.
Just wondered whether anyone else remembered this from high school chem class.
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#4638094 - 01/17/18 07:06 PM Re: Tungsten FM in Molygen (LM) Oil... Unique? [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Well, here goes. The email to LM:

"About the Molygen LM oil (5w30), its claimed there is 15% reduced friction and 30% less wear.
Is this based on comparison to the same HTHS or KV100 oil?
What reference baseline are the percent claims made from?
What oil is this being compared to?"

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