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#4637627 - 01/17/18 11:19 AM Mercon V options and cold weather performance
badtlc Offline


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Are there any differences in cold weather performance/flow ratings for any of the standard Mercon V ATF options out there? Or will all Mercon V fluids be the same?
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#4637632 - 01/17/18 11:24 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Are there any differences in cold weather performance/flow ratings for any of the standard Mercon V ATF options out there? Or will all Mercon V fluids be the same?


I'm going with this: "all Mercon V fluids are the same" (if they meet Mercon V specifications)
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#4637663 - 01/17/18 11:55 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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I feel quite certain that extreme low temp flow would be affected by base oil type. Typically a full syn Mercon V should have better extreme low temp flow. Fore example, Mobil 1 full synthetic Mercon V vs Supertech Mercon V.

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#4637774 - 01/17/18 02:02 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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The recent cold weather is resulting in a lot of questions and that is good, but really folks, we are using products like Mercon V up in Canada in cold weather on a routine basis. -20 F up here is no bid deal.

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#4637814 - 01/17/18 02:51 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: Snagglefoot]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
The recent cold weather is resulting in a lot of questions and that is good, but really folks, we are using products like Mercon V up in Canada in cold weather on a routine basis. -20 F up here is no bid deal.

SF


Yeah, that isn't even remotely related to the question.
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#4637911 - 01/17/18 04:48 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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I believe the standard BITOG response will go something like "Definitely get the bestest synthetic you can find... but you don't need it. Just be sure its a licensed MERCON V fluid."
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#4638486 - 01/18/18 07:56 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: buck91]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: buck91
I believe the standard BITOG response will go something like "Definitely get the bestest synthetic you can find... but you don't need it. Just be sure its a licensed MERCON V fluid."


I'm aware and I have no real issue with that but you never know what gems can be found on this forum. The cold weather data isn't available for the Motorcraft and ST variants. I was hoping someone here had some inside info on which standard Mercon V might just be a bit different from the others.
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#4638527 - 01/18/18 08:25 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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After a quick google. Pour Point °F/°C ASTM D-97
Castrol transmax pour point -31 f
Chevrontexaco -49f
transgard citgo -65f
Schaeffers Alltrans supreme 204sat -65F

Schaeffers alltrans supreme 204sat
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#4638867 - 01/18/18 02:05 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: salesrep]
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i wish I could get schaeffers at a reasonable price. I'd love to support a local company like that.
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#4639107 - 01/18/18 06:21 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
i wish I could get schaeffers at a reasonable price. I'd love to support a local company like that.

Wholesale pricing is at your fingertips!!!
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#4639519 - 01/19/18 02:42 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: salesrep]
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Originally Posted By: salesrep

transgard citgo -65f


Both Motorcraft and SuperTech are often/typically Citgo products.
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#4640008 - 01/19/18 02:01 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: Linctex]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: salesrep

transgard citgo -65f


Both Motorcraft and SuperTech are often/typically Citgo products.


I finally found a motorcraft mercon V datasheet and its pour point is -54F. Not the same stuff.
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#4681342 - 03/01/18 08:57 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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Yep defintely can confirm the Ford Motorcraft Mercon V pour point is -54 F but I guess we don't know if that changes time to time with supplier. It shouldn't if they were adamant about their specs.


Edited by Snagglefoot (03/01/18 09:06 AM)

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#4681462 - 03/01/18 11:47 AM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc]
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To the schaeffer rep or anyone who knows the answer.Schaeffers All trans supreme says can be used for all >Dexron-III MERCON and MERCON V Chrysler ATF +3 and +4<. So this would be a one size fits all trans fluid? But why would i use this in my 2010 mountaineer that requires mercon V. Mercon V is not used for Dexron-III Chrysler ATF +3 and +4. Would the extra additives to meet all the extra spec somehow benefit my trans or have an adverse effect or have no effect at all. I do use motorcraft mercon V
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#4681533 - 03/01/18 01:50 PM Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: littleant]
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Originally Posted By: littleant
To the schaeffer rep or anyone who knows the answer.Schaeffers All trans supreme says can be used for all >Dexron-III MERCON and MERCON V Chrysler ATF +3 and +4<. So this would be a one size fits all trans fluid? But why would i use this in my 2010 mountaineer that requires mercon V. Mercon V is not used for Dexron-III Chrysler ATF +3 and +4. Would the extra additives to meet all the extra spec somehow benefit my trans or have an adverse effect or have no effect at all. I do use motorcraft mercon V


It's the infamous one size fits all issue. Some like it, some don't.

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