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Mercon V options and cold weather performance #4637627
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Are there any differences in cold weather performance/flow ratings for any of the standard Mercon V ATF options out there? Or will all Mercon V fluids be the same?


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4637632
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Are there any differences in cold weather performance/flow ratings for any of the standard Mercon V ATF options out there? Or will all Mercon V fluids be the same?


I'm going with this: "all Mercon V fluids are the same" (if they meet Mercon V specifications)


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4637663
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I feel quite certain that extreme low temp flow would be affected by base oil type. Typically a full syn Mercon V should have better extreme low temp flow. Fore example, Mobil 1 full synthetic Mercon V vs Supertech Mercon V.

Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4637774
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The recent cold weather is resulting in a lot of questions and that is good, but really folks, we are using products like Mercon V up in Canada in cold weather on a routine basis. -20 F up here is no bid deal.

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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: Snagglefoot] #4637814
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
The recent cold weather is resulting in a lot of questions and that is good, but really folks, we are using products like Mercon V up in Canada in cold weather on a routine basis. -20 F up here is no bid deal.

SF


Yeah, that isn't even remotely related to the question.


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4637911
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I believe the standard BITOG response will go something like "Definitely get the bestest synthetic you can find... but you don't need it. Just be sure its a licensed MERCON V fluid."


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: buck91] #4638486
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Originally Posted By: buck91
I believe the standard BITOG response will go something like "Definitely get the bestest synthetic you can find... but you don't need it. Just be sure its a licensed MERCON V fluid."


I'm aware and I have no real issue with that but you never know what gems can be found on this forum. The cold weather data isn't available for the Motorcraft and ST variants. I was hoping someone here had some inside info on which standard Mercon V might just be a bit different from the others.


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4638527
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After a quick google. Pour Point F/C ASTM D-97
Castrol transmax pour point -31 f
Chevrontexaco -49f
transgard citgo -65f
Schaeffers Alltrans supreme 204sat -65F

Schaeffers alltrans supreme 204sat


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: salesrep] #4638867
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i wish I could get schaeffers at a reasonable price. I'd love to support a local company like that.


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Originally Posted By: badtlc
i wish I could get schaeffers at a reasonable price. I'd love to support a local company like that.

Wholesale pricing is at your fingertips!!!


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: salesrep] #4639519
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Originally Posted By: salesrep

transgard citgo -65f


Both Motorcraft and SuperTech are often/typically Citgo products.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: Linctex] #4640008
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: salesrep

transgard citgo -65f


Both Motorcraft and SuperTech are often/typically Citgo products.


I finally found a motorcraft mercon V datasheet and its pour point is -54F. Not the same stuff.


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4681342
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Yep defintely can confirm the Ford Motorcraft Mercon V pour point is -54 F but I guess we don't know if that changes time to time with supplier. It shouldn't if they were adamant about their specs.

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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: badtlc] #4681462
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To the schaeffer rep or anyone who knows the answer.Schaeffers All trans supreme says can be used for all >Dexron-III MERCON and MERCON V Chrysler ATF +3 and +4<. So this would be a one size fits all trans fluid? But why would i use this in my 2010 mountaineer that requires mercon V. Mercon V is not used for Dexron-III Chrysler ATF +3 and +4. Would the extra additives to meet all the extra spec somehow benefit my trans or have an adverse effect or have no effect at all. I do use motorcraft mercon V


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Re: Mercon V options and cold weather performance [Re: littleant] #4681533
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Originally Posted By: littleant
To the schaeffer rep or anyone who knows the answer.Schaeffers All trans supreme says can be used for all >Dexron-III MERCON and MERCON V Chrysler ATF +3 and +4<. So this would be a one size fits all trans fluid? But why would i use this in my 2010 mountaineer that requires mercon V. Mercon V is not used for Dexron-III Chrysler ATF +3 and +4. Would the extra additives to meet all the extra spec somehow benefit my trans or have an adverse effect or have no effect at all. I do use motorcraft mercon V


It's the infamous one size fits all issue. Some like it, some don't.


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