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#4637561 - 01/17/18 10:05 AM Brady is the GOAT!
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Brady is the GOAT and its not even close!

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#4637600 - 01/17/18 10:52 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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[quote=salesrep] Brady is the GOAT and its not even close!

Bleacher Report [/quote. No matter what happens in the AFC championship game or the Super Bowl this year, I totally agree! The Patriots have a great organization from top to bottom and itís built around the GOAT QB! There, I said it!

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#4637601 - 01/17/18 10:55 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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The Patriots' system should get a lot of the credit-would Brady have been as good with the Browns? Or our hapless Bengals? I don't think so.
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#4637605 - 01/17/18 11:00 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: bullwinkle]
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The Patriots' system should get a lot of the credit-would Brady have been as good with the Browns? Or our hapless Bengals? I don't think so.


The whole team is what is important, but TB and BB is what has been the consistent factor here. The rest of the team has turned over a few times.
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#4637616 - 01/17/18 11:09 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: bullwinkle]
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The Patriots' system should get a lot of the credit-would Brady have been as good with the Browns? Or our hapless Bengals? I don't think so.
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#4637639 - 01/17/18 11:30 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: tig1]
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The Patriots' system should get a lot of the credit-would Brady have been as good with the Browns? Or our hapless Bengals? I don't think so.


The whole team is what is important, but TB and BB is what has been the consistent factor here. The rest of the team has turned over a few times.


^ this.
as well, the "system" comes into play, getting 8 consecutive years at 12+ wins -- almost impossible to accomplish.
it's hard to not say brady is the goat. like him, or not. I'm no ne/brady fan -- you just 'gotta be honest.

now-- the group's automatic pool- bet is activated on a few topics, such as this, when we know one here will come on and challenge this, vigorously. haters 'gonna hate. come on, gr.... . we're waiting on 'ya. who will win this pool? the drama awaits ..................
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#4637646 - 01/17/18 11:37 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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Totally agree! The best every to play the game of football.
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#4637649 - 01/17/18 11:41 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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I think it's a perfect storm type thing. Would Cam Newton or Johnny Manzel have had the same success in place of Brady? Eli Manning? Then ask the question, what if the organization had hired a different coach, would Brady have had the tools to be as successful as he has been?

I think you can call him the GOAT, but you have to understand that had 1 or 2 things been different, this team could have been the Raiders.

What if Vick hadn't fought dogs? Atlanta was on the rise with his in his prime... What if Peyton had stayed at Indy? What if Brady and Favre switched teams?


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#4637650 - 01/17/18 11:41 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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If Joe Montana deflated footballs he would have more Super Bowl titles than Brady.... wink

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#4637655 - 01/17/18 11:47 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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Brady is pretty much the bomb (and I'm not even much of a Pats fan), but any system that uses cumulative stats from postseason games is going to be skewed heavily towards the most recent players because the of the expansions of the playoff structure.

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#4637660 - 01/17/18 11:52 AM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: gman2304]
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Originally Posted By: gman2304
[quote=salesrep] Brady is the GOAT and its not even close!

Bleacher Report [/quote. No matter what happens in the AFC championship game or the Super Bowl this year, I totally agree! The Patriots have a great organization from top to bottom and itís built around the GOAT QB! There, I said it!


How many goats have won more SB's
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#4637690 - 01/17/18 12:26 PM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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Far from a Pat's fan but must admit a [censored] of a run.
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#4637723 - 01/17/18 01:04 PM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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Do you ever wonder what kind of dirty tricks the Pat's are up to right now? It appears that they leave nothing to chance or speculation. Since the expectations and rewards are so high they have been known to take a few shortcuts now and then. If they're caught its called cheating. If they're not caught its called good preparation and coaching.

Brady is a better quarterback because he spends less time eating grass and looking out from the earhole in his helmet. That alone makes the job much more manageable. He's got a good gig going. The big men do all the heavy lifting and get knocked around every down no matter what, others do all the running while he waits for the whistle and he gets the biggest paycheck. What's not to like about that.

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#4637731 - 01/17/18 01:15 PM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: gman2304
[quote=salesrep] Brady is the GOAT and its not even close!

Bleacher Report [/quote. No matter what happens in the AFC championship game or the Super Bowl this year, I totally agree! The Patriots have a great organization from top to bottom and itís built around the GOAT QB! There, I said it!


How many goats have won more SB's
I think a case could be made for Otto Graham, winningest QB of the Browns pre-Super Bowl era, 7 NFL Championships. But, it was a different time, fewer teams, less athletic players, etc., and he was a product of the great Paul Brown system. I'll just say that Brady has gotten more out of his talent & ability than any other modern QB. He was only a 5th round draft choice, ALL NFL teams passed on him multiple times, incl. the Patriots. I don't really have an argument against Brady as GOAT-dude's an ASSASSIN.
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#4637770 - 01/17/18 01:56 PM Re: Brady is the GOAT! [Re: salesrep]
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I think these GOAT threads are just a sports variation of the thick/thin debate. IMO, any moniker of GOAT assumes that Brady or whomever could operate the same way in a different system of x era...and I don't think that's a valid argument. Sammy Baugh is in there somewhere but I never put modern context onto old systems or vice versa as I don't think they're directly comparable. That's taking GOAT literally versus the B.S. social media/sports talk radio definition...and people hate that...

However, I'd agree with the idea that Brady has gotten the most out of his talent of any QB in the modern era.

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