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slow HP laptop #4637372
01/17/18 06:01 AM
01/17/18 06:01 AM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 21,114
Upstate NY
Donald Offline OP
Donald  Offline OP
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Upstate NY
I have (backup laptop) a HP laptop with a Intel Celeron 877 and 4 GB of memory and Win10. Its OK most of the time but every once and awhile while using Thunderbird for email, I need to pause for a second or two typing so the letters displayed catch up with what I have typed. Annoying.

I have brought up the Windows performance screens and never see a high CPU usage nor high storage usage nor high page faults. The storage usage is typically 70% to 80%.

Given the low Passmark rating of the Celeron 877 I am convinced that the laptop is doing all it can and not much I can do except to get a faster laptop.

Most of the time I only have Thunderbird email and several tabs under Chrome running.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637381
01/17/18 06:20 AM
01/17/18 06:20 AM
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NY
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NY
Subscribed. I have a similar problem with an HP tower, and 8 GB of Ram running Win 10 Pro build 1709. No errors or warnings in the event viewer and everything else looks fine in the task manager. It doesn't happen often but when it does it is annoying...


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637386
01/17/18 06:27 AM
01/17/18 06:27 AM
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Posts: 4,340
Midwest USA
LoneRanger Offline
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Midwest USA
Possibly RAM memory is getting full and it's hitting virtual memory paging file really hard to keep going. This can cause the symptom you describe when the computer has no separate video/graphics RAM and all graphics data is drawn from system RAM. The system dynamically sizes/shares RAM to the graphics GPU and when main system RAM gets tight on space graphics performance can slow.

Maybe try downloading a small free utility called Memory Cleaner by Koshy John. Lets you free some RAM up by trimming processes' working set and clearing the system RAM cache. The program is safe but some anti-virus suites detect it as malicious.

4 gig RAM is really tight on physical memory for Windows 10, especially on a machine that only has shared graphics memory architecture.




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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637439
01/17/18 07:32 AM
01/17/18 07:32 AM
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texas
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texas
You might try an ssd if you dont already have one. A fresh install of windows 10 and a ssd is a sure fire boost in performance.

4gb is plenty for basic tasks so i doubt memory is the issue. Many laptops have very slow spinning hdds due to the fact they are protable. My wife has a pentuim processor in an old asus laptop that i put a ssd in and it was night and day. Reboots are fast. Programs load fast.

Other that that, the laptop is probably on its way out. Due to all the [censored] they put on the computers now.


You can also search on how to turn off all of windows 10s visual goodies with a custon theme. That should free up some processing time as well.

Search “optimize windows 10 for a slow computer”

Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637457
01/17/18 07:51 AM
01/17/18 07:51 AM
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Michigan
ZZman Offline
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Pretty sure the processor is slowing you down. Really should have a minimum dual core.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: LoneRanger] #4637458
01/17/18 07:51 AM
01/17/18 07:51 AM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 21,114
Upstate NY
Donald Offline OP
Donald  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Possibly RAM memory is getting full and it's hitting virtual memory paging file really hard to keep going. This can cause the symptom you describe when the computer has no separate video/graphics RAM and all graphics data is drawn from system RAM. The system dynamically sizes/shares RAM to the graphics GPU and when main system RAM gets tight on space graphics performance can slow.

Maybe try downloading a small free utility called Memory Cleaner by Koshy John. Lets you free some RAM up by trimming processes' working set and clearing the system RAM cache. The program is safe but some anti-virus suites detect it as malicious.

4 gig RAM is really tight on physical memory for Windows 10, especially on a machine that only has shared graphics memory architecture.



While not looking all the time, I do not see a lot of page fault activity. So while I realize more memory might help, it probably would not be night and day.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: danez_yoda] #4637466
01/17/18 07:56 AM
01/17/18 07:56 AM
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Posts: 511
maple ridge, bc
2004tdigls Offline
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maple ridge, bc
try readyboost, just get a cheap usb drive and install it in a fee usb socket, you might be surprised how much it speeds up your computer

https://www.computerworld.com/article/31...erformance.html

you can get a 1 TB drive for under $50 dollars now, its at least worth a try

https://www.amazon.com/Flash-Drive-Memory-Stick-Storage/dp/B01KOFOLLO/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1516197266&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A10285020011

Re: slow HP laptop [Re: ZZman] #4637476
01/17/18 08:10 AM
01/17/18 08:10 AM
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Posts: 12,982
Onondaga County
Miller88 Offline
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Onondaga County
Few questions - how did the OS get on it?
- Did you do a clean install?
- OEM Windows 10?
- Upgrade from an OEM Windows 8?

I have had EXCELLENT luck doing a windows 8 / windows 10 "reset" on computers that have slow. I'm glad they finally made that feature.

Another useful tool included since windoed 7 is the resource monitor, it will help you pinpoint which process is having heavy writes to cause it to be slow



Originally Posted By: ZZman
Pretty sure the processor is slowing you down. Really should have a minimum dual core.


Celeron 877 is 2 phyiscal cores


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637490
01/17/18 08:33 AM
01/17/18 08:33 AM
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Posts: 234
where the wind blows....OK
geekster Offline
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where the wind blows....OK
+1 on installing an SSD. They are a good price right now and will make a huge difference in how your laptop will run. The Samsung EVO is a good one and it has a ridiculously simple wizard you can download and copy your old hard drive with ease.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: geekster] #4637495
01/17/18 08:38 AM
01/17/18 08:38 AM
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Posts: 511
maple ridge, bc
2004tdigls Offline
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maple ridge, bc
if you do reinstall windows make sure to select the 64 bit option, it will be marginally faster

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/15056/windows-7-32-64-bit-faq

Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637515
01/17/18 09:08 AM
01/17/18 09:08 AM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 36,620
Great Lakes
Quattro Pete Offline
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Great Lakes
While I believe an SSD will help speed things up, I'm not sure I'd be willing to dump more money into an old low end laptop like this. But if you don't mind spending the money, SSD is what I would spend it on.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Quattro Pete] #4637521
01/17/18 09:17 AM
01/17/18 09:17 AM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 511
maple ridge, bc
2004tdigls Offline
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maple ridge, bc
i agree, this is why i suggested to try readyboost and a usb drive

a cheap fix

Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637527
01/17/18 09:21 AM
01/17/18 09:21 AM
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Valencia, CA
Richie Offline
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Valencia, CA
I'm going to download the Memory Cleaner tonight on my Windows 7 machine.

Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637626
01/17/18 11:19 AM
01/17/18 11:19 AM
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Phoenix
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Phoenix
It's the processor. I have almost the same setup in a little 11.6" laptop with the Celeron N3050, 4GB and a SSD and it's slow. It boots up fast and it's usable, but it's laggy. I have i5s in all my other machines and they fly.


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Re: slow HP laptop [Re: Donald] #4637664
01/17/18 11:55 AM
01/17/18 11:55 AM
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Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Thunderbird does not native interface elements (else it would be a bugger to be cross-platform). I wonder if there is some undue stress on the graphics chip?

OP, have you - especially given your pedestrian CPU horsepower - disabled graphics effects?

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