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Honda Type 2.0 ATF? #4635953
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Did a search in here and to my surprise, I found nothing. Or just maybe the search tool is a bit behind the times.

I searched the web a bit too.

So sorry in advance if this topic has been discussed, but what info have yall collected on this new ATF recommended for Honda 10-speed transmissions?

And thanks in advance for any useful information.


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4636063
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The bottle says shake well before using, which doesn't often appear on bottles of motor oil and ATF. The bottle looks like a WPP bottle crzy

However, you should probably still use the Type 2.0 during the warranty. When does Honda recommend the first ATF change be done? Because by the time you'll actually need to change it, a cheaper aftermarket solution should exist, and/or the aftermarket ATF's will be updated to include Type 2.0

Is that 10-speed a DCT? I saw this page from Acura mentioning a DCT that uses the 2.0

If it's a DCT, you can probably use AMalie's DCT fluid, which is by far the least expensive DCTF and sold by the case of 12.


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Exactly what I was thinking. Use the Honda fluid through warranty. In a year or two, another company will have a compatible fluid. What Im going to do with the DW-1 stash I have is TBD.


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4636121
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Exactly what I was thinking. Use the Honda fluid through warranty. In a year or two, another company will have a compatible fluid. What Im going to do with the DW-1 stash I have is TBD.


Do you have any friends with an older Honda automatic? You can use it on any older Honda automatic that called for DW1, Z1, or Dexron. Supposedly, you can't use it in your Highlander or any other non-Honda automatic because it has too much Zinc

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Yeh I thought about that but none of the Honda owner fiends would get their hands dirty changing out transmission fluid, haha.


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Sorry in my haste I did not answer your question. This is not a dual clutch design. It has several planetary gear modules. Having same said that, irrespective of the transmission architecture, this transmission operates superbly. Nearly imperceptible shifts while simultaneously shifting very quickly. Honestly, its amazing. In comparison the Highlander 8spd transmission while certainly not bad, is not in the same league as the 10spd in the Accord.


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4636256
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I think this stuff is pretty expensive per qt but its still cheaper than a transmission. Now I remember back when BMW had the 8spd tranny. Can't wait to hear about this new 10spd Accord. How exciting


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4636932
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Type 2.0? I thought that was for the DCT only. I thought the newer 9 and 10 (made by ZF) speed all used Type 3.1?

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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4636956
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I believe ATF is tied to the MM, so just change it when the computer tells you to. Most modern ATF intervals are fairly long, so you don't need to stock up on it now. Simply wait until the applicable code shows up on your MM smile

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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
I believe ATF is tied to the MM, so just change it when the computer tells you to. Most modern ATF intervals are fairly long, so you don't need to stock up on it now. Simply wait until the applicable code shows up on your MM smile


Good recommendation. It is quite an expensive service on the ZF boxes. The 3.1 fluid is almost $40/L, then you also have to replace the 3 fill/drain/level plugs at $15 each. It is also more complicated than just drain and fill. Here at Acura, it is around a $500 service, takes us about 2 hours.

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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: mightymousetech] #4637689
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wasn't there a study that reveal the most transmission's wear occurred before 8000 miles? the Honda 9AT is made ZF, 10AT is a Honda in house. 7 and 8 speed is DCT.

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Originally Posted By: gogozy
wasn't there a study that reveal the most transmission's wear occurred before 8000 miles? the Honda 9AT is made ZF, 10AT is a Honda in house. 7 and 8 speed is DCT.


The new 10 speed is in house? Good to know. The ZF 9 speed are a PITA. Looks like we are getting the 10 speed in the new RDX, will see what is what then I guess.


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: mightymousetech] #4637988
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Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Good recommendation. It is quite an expensive service on the ZF boxes. The 3.1 fluid is almost $40/L, then you also have to replace the 3 fill/drain/level plugs at $15 each. It is also more complicated than just drain and fill. Here at Acura, it is around a $500 service, takes us about 2 hours.


$15 each plug? It can't be reused with a new washer?


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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Good recommendation. It is quite an expensive service on the ZF boxes. The 3.1 fluid is almost $40/L, then you also have to replace the 3 fill/drain/level plugs at $15 each. It is also more complicated than just drain and fill. Here at Acura, it is around a $500 service, takes us about 2 hours.


$15 each plug? It can't be reused with a new washer?


Very common on Euro cars- new plugs are required. The plugs have a one time use sealant on them.


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Re: Honda Type 2.0 ATF? [Re: PandaBear] #4638508
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Good recommendation. It is quite an expensive service on the ZF boxes. The 3.1 fluid is almost $40/L, then you also have to replace the 3 fill/drain/level plugs at $15 each. It is also more complicated than just drain and fill. Here at Acura, it is around a $500 service, takes us about 2 hours.


$15 each plug? It can't be reused with a new washer?


They use the same kind of plugs as a BMW. Single use. Do not use a washer.

They look like this.





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