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#4632545 - 01/12/18 03:11 PM Got new tires and have some questions
mclasser Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 2176
Loc: The Northeast
Due to the good reviews, I bought General Altimax RT43 tires for the Accord. The old Kumho tires were at 3/32" tread and unfit for the winter. The Generals were available in H or T ratings and I ordered H since that's what my car specs. Just checked my tires today and the shop installed T's frown

How big of a deal is this? H tires are rated for 130 mph while T's are 118 mph. This car isn't going to see any speeds remotely close to those. I read H tires have better cornering performance but I think that's more important for a sports car, not a 16 yr old beater. The H's also have a shorter warranty -- 65 vs 75k.

Another issue is the alignment I had done. As a note, only toe is adjustable on this car (camber requires special aftermarket bolts). The back right tire's camber actually went OUT of spec after the alignment. I talked to the tech and he said sometimes when fixing the toe, the camber can get out of wack. He said he had to bring the toe into spec as to not prematurely wear the tire and slightly off camber isn't a big deal. Does this make sense to you guys?




Edited by mclasser (01/12/18 03:15 PM)
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#4632562 - 01/12/18 03:22 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
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Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Is there a price difference between the two ratings? What you got should be fine but the shop should credit you. Check your invoice / receipt carefully.

I’ll let a alignment expert answer the other part.
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#4632576 - 01/12/18 03:32 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 9778
Loc: ROCHESTER, NY
Well, as far as the tire go, the RT43 "T" speed rating score slightly higher than their "H" speed rated brother on both The Tire Rack & Consumer Reports and have slightly longer tread life to boot..IIRC!

Did you pay more for the "H" compared to the "T" rated tires?
Is this optimal?...Well, I often get "T" over the "H" when I can.
Should you turn back and get the proper speed rating or a refund? ...it's up to you!

I've had the RT43 in a "T" speed rating on a Lexus and loved'em!
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As far as the alignment, others will have to chime in on that one.


Edited by Char Baby (01/12/18 03:33 PM)
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#4632606 - 01/12/18 03:52 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 9401
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
I bought my RT43 through Walmart and the prices were the same for T or H. My vehicle came with H so that is what is on my vehicle. I'm not an alignment expert but, have had some experience over 50+ years of vehicles. The "BEFORE" Measurements were acceptable for a daily driver as are the "After" alignment specs. I only question the right rear camber which may cause some uneven wear. Ed
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#4632611 - 01/12/18 03:59 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
das_peikko Offline


Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 423
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Never let a tire shop align your car.

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#4632612 - 01/12/18 03:59 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
HoosierJeeper Offline


Registered: 11/23/16
Posts: 1274
Loc: WI
I would bring the spec difference up and see what they say. Unlikely you'd ever see 118 anyway, but you ordered H, so you should get H ones or be made whole otherwise.
I think your alignment is fine but I'm not an expert by any means.
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#4632630 - 01/12/18 04:11 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
lugNutz Offline


Registered: 05/19/13
Posts: 458
Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Never let a tire shop align your car.

Why? popcorn

Originally Posted By: mclasser
How big of a deal is this? H tires are rated for 130 mph while T's are 118 mph. This car isn't going to see any speeds remotely close to those. I read H tires have better cornering performance but I think that's more important for a sports car, not a 16 yr old beater. The H's also have a shorter warranty -- 65 vs 75k.

Not a big deal. If I were in your shoes, I would go for the higher mileage warranty if it's truly for a beater. I wouldn't want to have to dump more money in to new tires earlier than necessary on it.
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#4632633 - 01/12/18 04:15 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 9401
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
I went to the tire home page "General Tire" and plugged in my vehicle model, year etc and they recommended an H RT143 H which is the original tire spec. I see no reason the change that since I am not a tire expert. There probably has some safety margin with the H at the point of skidding which would not show up in a daily driver CU tire test. Using a T over a manufacture & tire company H commendation to save $10? I think not. Ed


Edited by Eddie (01/12/18 04:16 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling change
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#4632644 - 01/12/18 04:25 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32391
Loc: ME
They had the Ts in stock and wanted to make a sale. This often overrides anything else. If they said they could get you some H's tomorrow you might go to another dealer in the meantime.

As for the camber they could have ground out a strut hole a little but were too lazy. "Toe and go". That said if it drives fine, leave it. Your cross camber kinda cancels it out.

As for the speed rating if you feel fine, I feel fine. cheers

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#4632656 - 01/12/18 04:32 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
andyd Offline


Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 6894
Loc: Marshfield , MA
If the car handles and rides OK, why mess with success? Just do my tires, so I can go. 4 tires mtd on new wheels etc. 1 3/4 hrs. Car drives fine, just like it did before.
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#4632707 - 01/12/18 05:17 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: eljefino]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 5867
Loc: USA
well, at least you know a tire shop that's willing to install a speed rating lower than it came with hide
(most tire shops don't like doing this for fear of getting sued)

However, the lower speed rating is probably not that important for your car and intended usage. Both versions of the RT43 are popular on here, and you will probably have no problems with them.

Originally Posted By: eljefino
They had the Ts in stock and wanted to make a sale. This often overrides anything else. If they said they could get you some H's tomorrow you might go to another dealer in the meantime.


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#4632737 - 01/12/18 05:43 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
skyactiv Offline


Registered: 03/02/13
Posts: 4182
Loc: The Midwest
I would be upset if I ordered H rated tires and eneded up getting T rated tires by mistake. Of the catastrophic tire failures I've seen
over the years, they have always been a tire with a speed rating of less than H.

This is a website from a member here who works in the tire industry:
http://www.barrystiretech.com/speedratings.html
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#4632742 - 01/12/18 05:48 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
skyactiv Offline


Registered: 03/02/13
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Loc: The Midwest
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#4632753 - 01/12/18 05:59 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: mclasser]
DBMaster Offline


Registered: 09/18/12
Posts: 5280
Loc: DFW
My alignment philosophy has evolved over the years. When starting with a new car, if it tracks straight and the tires wear relatively evenly I don't touch alignment when replacing tires. This might sound wacky, but I feel like once you loosen bolts to adjust the alignment it never holds like new again. If I have to replace any steering related components I consider alignment. I'm talking about tie rod ends or control arms. I would not get an alignment if replacing struts, ball joints, wheel bearings, or anti-roll bar bushings. The caveat there is that the car must still track straight and the tires should not be wearing unevenly.


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#4632768 - 01/12/18 06:11 PM Re: Got new tires and have some questions [Re: das_peikko]
CKN Offline


Registered: 10/14/14
Posts: 3630
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Never let a tire shop align your car.



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