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#4630263 - 01/10/18 10:30 AM QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi
FlyNavyP3 Offline


Registered: 07/04/16
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Another sample from my 2004 Lexus ES330. This one is all clearance AZ 5w20 Quaker State Defy API SL "high zinc" formula. Commute remains 110 miles/day with about 22-25k/yr on the car. This run was done with one of the Rock Auto (counterfeit) Toyota Copy oil filters. Current fill is all SOUPS with random quarts of leftover clearance oil consisting of 3 quarts QS Defy API SL 5w20, 1 Quart (non GTL) Pennzoil Ultra Euro L 5w30, 1 quart PYB 20w50 with a Car Quest Red (Affina made) filter. Kept the mixing all SOPUS to keep similar add packs.

Enjoy!

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#4630270 - 01/10/18 10:35 AM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Registered: 06/27/17
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Looks good! Toyota engines do wear exceptionally well and your Lexus is another example of this. thumbsup

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#4630290 - 01/10/18 10:52 AM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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It's too thin, it's too thin. Oh wait... LOL

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#4630292 - 01/10/18 10:53 AM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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What were the previous oils (used in the previous UOAs), if you recall?

I always read that newer oils are a lot better, but if in fact the earlier UOAs were done with modern oils, that SL oil sure doesn't look any worse.

I have the same engine in my Sienna. Haven't yet done a UOA but I'd love to have a report like this if I did.
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#4630345 - 01/10/18 11:20 AM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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That engine is fully worn in there should be near zero wear evidenced.

You ran a 50 grade previously?!!
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#4630481 - 01/10/18 01:12 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Your aluminum level was 2X higher with 5W20 than 20W50!!!
This proves that these newfangled water-thin girly man oils are no good.

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#4630516 - 01/10/18 01:36 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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I think his UOAs prove this engine couldn't give two mallard ducks what you put in it as long as it's a decent oil.
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#4630537 - 01/10/18 01:56 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Which oil change had the Moly at 134 and TBN at 2.9?
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#4630558 - 01/10/18 02:11 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: Linctex]
FlyNavyP3 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Which oil change had the Moly at 134 and TBN at 2.9?


PYB SAE 30
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#4630568 - 01/10/18 02:21 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: paulri]
FlyNavyP3 Offline


Registered: 07/04/16
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Originally Posted By: paulri
What were the previous oils (used in the previous UOAs), if you recall?

I always read that newer oils are a lot better, but if in fact the earlier UOAs were done with modern oils, that SL oil sure doesn't look any worse.

I have the same engine in my Sienna. Haven't yet done a UOA but I'd love to have a report like this if I did.


Oils left to right: Current QS Defy 5w20, VSP 20w50, PYB SAE 30, PUP(PP) 5w30, M1 5w30 older low Mg formula (SM rated 4 quarts, 1 qt Red Line 5w30), VSP 5w30
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#4630695 - 01/10/18 04:52 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Interesting. The UOAs with the older oils show just as low wear metal results as those with newer oils.



Edited by paulri (01/10/18 04:54 PM)
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#4630698 - 01/10/18 05:00 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: paulri]
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Originally Posted By: paulri
Interesting. The UOAs with the older oils show just as low wear metal results as those with newer oils.



To be fair the QS Defy I used was produced in the era of API SN and likely shares base stocks with API SN brethren, they just couldn't claim API SN because they used to dose this oil with more than the SN limit for Zinc, thus the API SL claim. If anyone has any legit older API SL oil they'd like to donate I'll gladly run it for 5,000 miles. The second UOA from the right was legit API SM oil, unfortunately that run had a little higher silicon and wear numbers due to having a 1/8" vacuum hose off for about two weeks that I didn't catch. That run was 4 quarts M1 5w30 API SM with 1 Quart Red Line 5w30 with no API spec.

The car and usage pattern has shown to be super easy on oil and I could probably stretch the OCI WAAAAAAAAAAAY out if I so desired, but with the quantity of oil in my stash I see no reason to. It gets me under the car every 5,000 miles checking things out and it correlates with my tire rotations.
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#4630765 - 01/10/18 06:12 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: Drew99GT]
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
It's too thin, it's too thin. Oh wait... LOL
It's too thick , Its too thick. Oh wait... wrong uoa.
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#4630783 - 01/10/18 06:27 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: CT8]
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Registered: 07/04/16
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
It's too thin, it's too thin. Oh wait... LOL
It's too thick , Its too thick. Oh wait... wrong uoa.


I was amused to see that both UOA posted almost identical results, I'm pleased but not surprised since this car has had nothing but stellar UOA since I acquired it from my mother 2 years ago. I've run a different oil brand/grade every single OCI for two years with no ill effects. Every oil filter from a Fram Ultra to a unknown quantity clearance filter. Nothing seems to phase this engine, which is a good thing and is represented well with the 20w50 vs 5w20 back to back UOA.
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#4630800 - 01/10/18 06:50 PM Re: QS Defy 5w20 API SL 2004 ES330 4456mi [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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I like the line from the Blackstone rep from the UOA with the 20w50 (10/17/2017): "We've seen more metal in virgin oil samples that what turned up here." smile

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4630255/VSP_20w50_04_Lexus_ES330_5778m
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