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#4629962 - 01/10/18 03:19 AM Instead of banning ICE's
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
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This version of "picking winners" actually makes a whole lot of sense.



Don't get me wrong, I love my cars, and driving...but instead of banning ICE's for the good of everyone and transferring the issues, it's actually doing something to fix their issues.

Remains to be said whether they live up to their promise of providing the public transport infrastructure

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#4629966 - 01/10/18 03:41 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 503
Loc: San Antonio, TX
It's not the ICE that's so dirty, it's the fuel that it's forced to burn.

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#4630080 - 01/10/18 08:11 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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So...:
-they have to keep some or most of the road infrastructure in place for the public and commercial and existing vehicles PLUS an remain-to-be-seen-growing-public-transport-capacity
-and have room to breathe?
-and maybe push electric/plug-able vehicle replacement for existing (do they have the necessary power infrastructure?)
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#4630118 - 01/10/18 08:47 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Interesting video news.
Instead of banning all ICE engines, to deal with pollution they could ban all non-hybrid vehicles, and also allow all-electric ones too.
Hybrids get twice the fuel efficiency in cities, and also don't idle much when stopped at lights or in jams.
Of course overcrowding is the other big issue, not just pollution.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/world/europe/uk-diesel-petrol-emissions.html
https://banprivatecarsinlondon.com/

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#4630122 - 01/10/18 08:50 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: pandus13]
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Originally Posted By: pandus13
-and maybe push electric/plug-able vehicle replacement for existing (do they have the necessary power infrastructure?)

Thats where hybrids could really help. They pollute far less, and you don't always plug them in, running off existing gasoline infrastructure.
Its a good way to transition to an all-electric vehicle society in 30 or 40 years from now.

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#4630133 - 01/10/18 08:57 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Easy to talk about until it affects each one of us individually.

Singapore is already very expensive when it comes to cars. By the time you pay for the privilege of driving (stamp), the cost has doubled.
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#4630260 - 01/10/18 10:26 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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A good diesel engine uses 200-220gm fuel per kwh generated power. To store 1 kwh of power it takes about 11kg of LiFePO4 batteries.
https://www.lithiumion-batteries.com/products/12-volt-lithium-ion-batteries/sb260.php
That is a ratio of 1:50. Perhaps 1:40 if you figure the weight of the fuel tank. I carry about 500kg of fuel when full. I'd hate to have to carry instead 20 tons of batteries.
Not good enough yet.
I wonder what kind of batteries Tesla's (?vaporware?) semi uses?
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#4630322 - 01/10/18 11:11 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 03/06/16
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Are they still punishing gum-chewers with 50 lashes over in Singapore?

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#4630561 - 01/10/18 02:14 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
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Loc: 'Stralia
They've got 12% of their land covered by roads already.

Past 6+ months I've been wondering about the future of private automobile ownership.

Makes little sense from a rational perspective to have a motor vehicle stationary 80+% of it's existance, then all want to be in exactly the same place every morning/afternoon.

Autonomous, Electric vehicles, probably only need 1/4 of the total number, just keep them all moving as a "swipe the credit card" taxi service.

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#4630652 - 01/10/18 03:41 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Near term, cities have been planning to or already have some areas of the city which is accessible only via clean Hybrid city buses and electric Light Commuter Rail. They could just keep taking over more blocks near-ish to the city center.... Trend is they will take a lot over by 2040.
Delivery trucks can have access to the back part of the block, away from pedestrians along a multi-mile strip. (Emergency vehicles can drive where the Hybrid buses can go.)

A bizarre side effect to the Singapore ban would be that many might never want to sell their cars! No new registrations after all.
This could create a Cuba-like place where old Buicks and Chevy's etc. dominate. Like it was frozen in time.


Edited by oil_film_movies (01/10/18 03:44 PM)

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#4630671 - 01/10/18 04:06 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: oil_film_movies]
Alfred_B Offline


Registered: 05/12/15
Posts: 1968
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Near term, cities have been planning to or already have some areas of the city which is accessible only via clean Hybrid city buses and electric Light Commuter Rail. They could just keep taking over more blocks near-ish to the city center.... Trend is they will take a lot over by 2040.
Delivery trucks can have access to the back part of the block, away from pedestrians along a multi-mile strip. (Emergency vehicles can drive where the Hybrid buses can go.)

A bizarre side effect to the Singapore ban would be that many might never want to sell their cars! No new registrations after all.
This could create a Cuba-like place where old Buicks and Chevy's etc. dominate. Like it was frozen in time.


They'll probably place age limits on cars once the new infrastructure is in place. When you are a small country, your land is precious. It's a complete waste to pave it under asphalt for parking lots.

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#4630835 - 01/10/18 07:29 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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This seems to have nothing to do with emissions at all. Just a traffic issue.

IJust glad I don't live there.
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#4630851 - 01/10/18 07:43 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Instead of banning all ICE engines, to deal with pollution they could ban all non-hybrid vehicles, and also allow all-electric ones too.

No new electric vehicles either means no piddling with the electrical grid to compensate for them. No new private vehicles is a very simple solution. Singapore just has chosen to avoid subsidising any of the new technologies.

Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
Are they still punishing gum-chewers with 50 lashes over in Singapore?

I'm not sure, but a couple years ago, Maurizio Arrivabenne got a $1000 fine and spent a few hours in custody for throwing a cigarette onto the street.
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#4631371 - 01/11/18 11:37 AM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: DoubleWasp]
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Posts: 1968
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
This seems to have nothing to do with emissions at all. Just a traffic issue.

IJust glad I don't live there.


It's actually a great place to live.

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#4631452 - 01/11/18 12:43 PM Re: Instead of banning ICE's [Re: Shannow]
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Loc: Silicon Valley
You don't need a car in Singapore like you don't need a car in Manhattan. It is a luxury item there. It is going to be easier to get around on a taxi or subway than finding parking.
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