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Additives fallen out of suspension? #4628364
01/08/18 04:13 PM
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KMJ1992 Offline OP
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Hello all. Never been a Pennzoil guy because i was always told that it lubed great, but didn't clean well. Obviously thats an archaic opinion, right? Today a customer brought in a jug of PYB for their Focus, and after pouring it, i happened to look in the bottle and see this. It appears to be additives which have fallen out of suspension. Makes me wonder how it suspends dirt and carbon efdectively, if it cant suspend its own additives. Never seen this in Valvoline, Mobil, or Conoco/Phillips products.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628369
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Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Hello all. Never been a Pennzoil guy because i was always told that it lubed great, but didn't clean well. Obviously thats an archaic opinion, right? Today a customer brought in a jug of PYB for their Focus, and after pouring it, i happened to look in the bottle and see this. It appears to be additives which have fallen out of suspension. Makes me wonder how it suspends dirt and carbon efdectively, if it cant suspend its own additives. Never seen this in Valvoline, Mobil, or Conoco/Phillips products.


The oil in your engine is circulated and mixed every time the vehicle is started was the Jugs shaken every day or before the OCI? I'd guess no!


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628413
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Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
It appears to be additives which have fallen out of suspension.

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Makes me wonder how it suspends dirt and carbon efdectively, if it cant suspend its own additives. Never seen this in Valvoline, Mobil, or Conoco/Phillips products.

I like Pennzoil and I'd buy Pennzoil again.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4628424
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KMJ1992 Offline OP
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I understand. Thats not what i am asking. Im asking why this occurred in this particular product when i see tons of oil jugs per day and havent noticed it elsewhere. At minimum i sure wouldnt use this in anything that sits for the winter. Reasonable?


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628428
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Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
I understand. Thats not what i am asking. Im asking why this occurred in this particular product when i see tons of oil jugs per day and havent noticed it elsewhere. At minimum i sure wouldnt use this in anything that sits for the winter. Reasonable?

I've seen it in all the jugs that have been sitting for a while (except the black ones): Quaker state, castrol, pennzoil, valvoline, peak, supertech from the top of my head...


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628435
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That's normal for any motor oil that has been sitting a wile I've seen it with many brands nothing to worry about that's why it's important to always shake up your containers well before dumping it in.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628436
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Logical, but not reasonable wink I can remember seeing additives on the bottom of bright yellow PYB jugs for ages, just rinse it out and put it into the engine. When the VOAs come back with element concentrations out of range, or UOAs indicating accelerated engine wear and oil condemnation, then it may be quite reasonable to avoid the product.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628445
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This happens whenever the weather turns cold. It’s not a issue. Shake and use.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628461
01/08/18 05:37 PM
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KMJ1992 Offline OP
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Maybe i should clarify. I am not incinuating Pennzoil is "bad". I am curious wether this is a known thing for dino oils or??? Ive only ever used Valvoline dino oil in my old F150. Every other car i have owned i have fed M1, RP, Or VSP. And i am genuinely curious as to how this works. What additive is that likely to be? Moly? And does ability to hold solids in suspension over longer downtimes really not mean anything? It was an uncracked bottle of the new design, no reason for me to believe it had been sitting more than maybe a month or two. I am also under the impression that the pickup tube in an engine feeds from the bottom of the pan first. So maybe the worst that can happen is the filter has to do its job better, again, im just curious if anyone has seen this elsewhere, or if i should worry this batch may have had an issue? I care about the cars i service and the people i service them for. If i should be trying to upsell a better product for their benefit, i would like to know! Especially considering Fords now have one of those 10k oil clocks and many of our customers follow it. I think thats pushing it on ANY dino, but the old [censored] whos been their the longest thinks the only fix is shorter ocis. I decided to come here to learn, and maybe prove him wrong!


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628465
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As i suspected, i am overthinking it. Is this Moly by chance? I have heard it can settle and that Pennz has a decent amount.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628485
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Yep, 'analysis paralysis'. There was a story on this board somewhere where a guy collected all the settled addtives of various jugs he used and had it analyzed. The results indicated high additive levels, obviously. I forget which specific ones, that was a while since I read it.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628555
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Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
As i suspected, i am overthinking it. Is this Moly by chance? I have heard it can settle and that Pennz has a decent amount.


You aren't seeing Molybdenum LOL. Oil can have different density and have different parts settle slightly.

Shake it and pour it in.


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Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: zorobabel] #4628611
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Originally Posted By: zorobabel

I've seen it in all the jugs that have been sitting for a while


Yes, same here. Been seeing it for years across every brand.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: PeterPolyol] #4628614
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Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
There was a story on this board somewhere where a guy collected all the settled additives of various jugs he used and had it analyzed. The results indicated high additive levels, obviously.


Hmmm... that would be interesting.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Additives fallen out of suspension? [Re: KMJ1992] #4628624
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Warm it up and shake before pouring.

PCMO is blended at temps around 90 to 100C so all of the soup mixes.

At lower temperatures, some additives may "de-solve" and settle.

No big deal.


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