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#4624658 - 01/05/18 09:01 AM New Winter Tires from Nokian
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Registered: 01/31/06
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Loc: Idaho
https://www.nokiantyres.com/company/news...ter-tyre-range/

Quote:
...Nokian Tyres introduces four new product families: Nordic non-studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 and R3 SUV winter tyres for the Nordic, Russian and North American, Nokian WR SUV 4 for the Central European and Nokian WR G4 for the North American markets. ..

...The main markets for the new-generation non-studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 and the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV winter tyres for sport utility vehicles are in the Nordic countries, Russia and North America...The new products will start shipping to retailers in the spring of 2018...


I haven't seen any photos yet of the new tires.

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#4624698 - 01/05/18 09:33 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
Quattro Pete Offline


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It would be nice if they mentioned what they've improved compared to R2.
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#4624703 - 01/05/18 09:41 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 01/31/06
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Loc: Idaho
The major weakness (revealed in multiple tests) of the R2, compared to its premium competitors, is wet traction.

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#4624724 - 01/05/18 10:03 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1911
Loc: SE British Columbia, Canada
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?

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#4624727 - 01/05/18 10:05 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 06/25/15
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Loc: New England
Doesn't it seem weird to ship new winter tires in the spring?
That's when I bought my R2 SUVs, but only because they were on sale at an attractive price...the temps unexpectedly shot up to near 70F the next day and that made for some horrible driving (particularly dry braking), took them off a day or two after that.
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#4624730 - 01/05/18 10:06 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Snagglefoot]
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2648
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?


Yes.

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#4624859 - 01/05/18 11:50 AM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Virtus_Probi]
Danno Offline


Registered: 10/07/12
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Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Doesn't it seem weird to ship new winter tires in the spring?

It gives them time to build inventory, take major orders and get things ready for September. With the SKU active in the retailer systems, orders can be placed.
I had to order 600 or so Nokia tires for a commercial fleet. The PO needed to be in place in May, for a September delivery.
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#4624922 - 01/05/18 12:50 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Danno]
Virtus_Probi Offline


Registered: 06/25/15
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Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Doesn't it seem weird to ship new winter tires in the spring?

It gives them time to build inventory, take major orders and get things ready for September. With the SKU active in the retailer systems, orders can be placed.
I had to order 600 or so Nokia tires for a commercial fleet. The PO needed to be in place in May, for a September delivery.


I see...makes sense, good info and thanks for sharing!
I guess fleet purchases are very different animals from typical consumer retail buys...

BTW, were you and your drivers happy with the 600 tires?
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#4624997 - 01/05/18 02:09 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 05/20/13
Posts: 1927
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
I would hope Nokian would improve their Hakkapeliittas; I ran them about ten years ago and they were great when new, but the sticky layer wore very quickly; by the third winter they were useless. I would want to see some rather large improvements before I would try them again.

Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?


Great on ice, rain, and dry cold temperature pavement. Useless on any decent amount of snow, though.
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#4625011 - 01/05/18 02:18 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Snagglefoot]
Finn Offline


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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?

First post is about Nokian friction tyres and they - as other brands of friction tyres - tend to suffer on ice.
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#4625041 - 01/05/18 02:41 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Johnny2Bad]
homeyclaus Offline


Registered: 08/22/11
Posts: 99
Loc: Northern VA
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
I would hope Nokian would improve their Hakkapeliittas; I ran them about ten years ago and they were great when new, but the sticky layer wore very quickly; by the third winter they were useless. I would want to see some rather large improvements before I would try them again.

Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?


Great on ice, rain, and dry cold temperature pavement. Useless on any decent amount of snow, though.


My WR2's paddled the Maxima (with HLSD, ok) through snow deep enough to fill the lower bumper intake through a mountain pass on BC's Crow's Nest Highway just fine. And they weren't their dedicated winter tires, but their all-seasons with the snowflake mark. Ditto for the year or two prior of 12"+ snow from Vancouver to Seattle.

Snow is funny though, and unlike rain, isn't the same everywhere you are.
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#4625070 - 01/05/18 03:07 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 387
Loc: MA, USA
Snow is tricky and ice too.
The guys is cold places (like Siberia, Scandinavia) do tests on warm ice and cold ice. That is ice at 0F (-16C) and 0C (32F).
On warm ice studded tires shine but when it is really cold the chemistry of studless still works while mechanics of studs stops.

Krzys

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#4625080 - 01/05/18 03:15 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: Johnny2Bad]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 5059
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
I would hope Nokian would improve their Hakkapeliittas; I ran them about ten years ago and they were great when new, but the sticky layer wore very quickly; by the third winter they were useless. I would want to see some rather large improvements before I would try them again.

Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I take it the Nokians are known for good traction on ice?


Great on ice, rain, and dry cold temperature pavement. Useless on any decent amount of snow, though.

I have R2's for over a month on Tiguan. We have very dry and warm winter here in Colorado, so no experience with them on ice and snow. But in dry they do not come close to Bridgestone, Continental and Michelin. So far definiately the worst snow tire I had in dry (I do not expect from snow tire to be good in dry, but these push limits).
Hopefully it will prove itself once Spring snow hits Southern Colorado.
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#4625089 - 01/05/18 03:22 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 10342
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I have R2's for over a month on Tiguan. We have very dry and warm winter here in Colorado, so no experience with them on ice and snow. But in dry they do not come close to Bridgestone, Continental and Michelin. So far definiately the worst snow tire I had in dry (I do not expect from snow tire to be good in dry, but these push limits).
Hopefully it will prove itself once Spring snow hits Southern Colorado.


The Tiguan is your wife's vehicle if memory serves correctly. So have you actually driven the Tiguan on dry streets or just relying on her reports? I also remember the thread you started about the older date codes on the new Nokian tires and because of that you will never buy them again. So you're probably negatively biased against them and hard to take your posts seriously.

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#4625141 - 01/05/18 04:23 PM Re: New Winter Tires from Nokian [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4755
Loc: MTL, CANADA
I have the R2's and have been happy with them. Not great on ice but very good on the rest. Never had any issues on dry or wet with them. They feel safe in dry and wet if you drive a reasonable speed. They handle deep snow with ease.
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