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Why not go with an AGM Battery? #4624598
01/05/18 08:02 AM
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ZZman Offline OP
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I had to look up what a AGM battery was. From what I read it is far superior to a normal vehicle battery.

Your thoughts?


2003 Mercury Grand Marquis. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2008 Sebring Hardtop convertible. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 LT. Motul 7100 10w-40 and K&N
Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624600
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I like them. They dont corrode the terminals like a flooded battery does.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624607
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East Penn AGM (NAPA's "The Legend) is what I always buy.

Factory Varta AGM in the Phaeton is at 13 years and still going strong.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: Chris142] #4624612
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Somewhere, somehow the AGM's differ in the way they recharge optimally.

I've read that a vehicle's charging system needs to tailored to them. The same goes for battery chargers.

I don't know if it's a huge difference or not.

I have nothing AGAINST AGM batteries.

I do believe the industry wants to say good-bye to old technology. If FLA batteries make up 99% of the business, it'll take time.

Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624618
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Wrong thread.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 01/05/18 08:21 AM.

2004 Corolla 126649
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624620
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
Why not go with an AGM Battery?

One reason is cost.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624624
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I got an East Penn AGM battery for my Liberty for the same as a Diehard Gold...Blain's Farm and Fleet usually has them on sale. Not sure if you have them in Michigan.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: Quattro Pete] #4624625
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: ZZman
Why not go with an AGM Battery?

One reason is cost.


Yes sometimes we get so proud of our new technology we hurt the bottom line.


2004 Corolla 126649
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624638
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Several reasons
1) cost
2)needs different charging.
3)availability


Cost- for the 2013 outback the Penn-Deka FLA battery was 83$ with 3 year full replacement warranty.
The cheapest agm I found with at least a 3 year warranty in group 25 was around $190

Something like https://www.pepboys.com/product/details/844466/00566
I am sure it is superior but is it over 2x as superior? Esp. for my climate and use?

2) Agm batteries want slightly higher voltage. If your car is designed for AGM its better.
(see google for more on this not writing a book here)

3) group 25 doesnt have many agm batteries available.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624639
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
I had to look up what a AGM battery was. From what I read it is far superior to a normal vehicle battery.

Your thoughts?



Cost is the biggest thing, but if the battery lasts longer and can tolerate more severe use, then I'd say it's paying for itself.


2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: Chris142] #4624669
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
I like them. They dont corrode the terminals like a flooded battery does.


Easily prevented by applying grease to protect the cable terminals.


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624686
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Wonder why the warranty is only as good as a cheaper flooded battery?


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Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624688
01/05/18 09:25 AM
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Lots of information available on Wiki and through other sources. There are some disadvantages to AGM & gel batts. They're not superior in every way.


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07 Tacoma V6 - M1 EP 5W-30, Fram Ultra, 10K OCIs, 198K
07 Yamaha R1 - Rotella T6 5W-40, Bosch 3300
07 Yamaha YZ-250, Klotz, Rotella

Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: Eddie] #4624691
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
Wonder why the warranty is only as good as a cheaper flooded battery?


Wikipedia says a conventional flooded-cell batt. will actually last longer WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE. That's probably the reason it seems like the AGMs last longer - most people don't maintain water levels in the regular batteries.


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07 Tacoma V6 - M1 EP 5W-30, Fram Ultra, 10K OCIs, 198K
07 Yamaha R1 - Rotella T6 5W-40, Bosch 3300
07 Yamaha YZ-250, Klotz, Rotella

Re: Why not go with an AGM Battery? [Re: ZZman] #4624702
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I don't know who makes the batteries for Bosch, but whenever a OEM battery kicks the bucket, Bosch S5 is all I'll swap it for.

All other brands like Yuasa and Varta are toast after 3-4 years...

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