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#4624266 - 01/04/18 08:26 PM Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40
ytech Offline

Registered: 01/04/18
Posts: 2
Loc: New Jersey
Hey all,
I am a bit concerned...
I have been running the Delo 400 LE in my 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE (3.0L I6 DOHC 24V gas engine) since it has a very good additives pack that suits the needs of my old engine. At my last oil change I didn't pay enough attention to realize I used the new version of the Delo 400, aka Delo SDE. I noticed the reduced amount of zinc (but they claim it has a 50% better wear protection) which drove me crazy and concerned, I know it is "backwards compatible" BUT what do you guys think about this oil? any oil analysis to back up Chevron's claim?


#4624295 - 01/04/18 09:10 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
JHZR2 Offline

Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41233
Loc: New Jersey
What aspect of your engine would justify the need for elevated zinc? Just asking...

#4624303 - 01/04/18 09:21 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
spasm3 Offline

Registered: 05/30/10
Posts: 8300
Loc: North Carolina
Don't know the spring pressures, but i think that engine is flat tappet lifters?
13 elantra 67k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche76k synpwr 5w30
01 saturnsc1 185k synpwr rebuilt
17 mazda cx-5 1800 miles m1 0w20/0w40 mix

#4624307 - 01/04/18 09:26 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: spasm3]
ytech Offline

Registered: 01/04/18
Posts: 2
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Don't know the spring pressures, but i think that engine is flat tappet lifters?
Exactly, the hydraulic cam followers.

#4624342 - 01/04/18 10:28 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
Linctex Offline

Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 5233
Loc: Waco, TX
Just because it has a flat tappet cam doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Most stock engines don't run "aggressive" valve spring pressures.
"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."

#4624379 - 01/04/18 11:14 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
Garak Offline

Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 23784
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
I wouldn't worry in the least.
Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515

#4624394 - 01/04/18 11:29 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
BrocLuno Offline

Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5078
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
Well, I'm pretty trusting of most things Chevron. Had buds that worked in the refinery in Richmond (CA), and hauled their stuff back in the day. Have always had good service from Delo products. Delo SD (w/o the E) is my go-to oil for cam break-in in new hot rod motors (not race engines - that's whole nuther game).

So I'm pretty sure that all the Delo products up till now were decent in the area of cam/lifter protection, and I have the personal experience to make me happy. And, they have been playing with their add-pak chemistry including some organic calcium additives that seem to be decent AW components. But, these may not show up in VOA or UOA's.

I know marketing is hype, but I can't really believe that Chevron would step out that far on a limb and un-equivocally state 50% wear reduction if they did not have some serious science behind it ...

For us small boys, yeah sure it's marketing. But for UPS, FedEx, and all the big fleet managers who have enough lawyers on their side to make life tough for a refiner, it would be foolish to state that and not be able to back it up ...

So, bottom line; 1.) you are running oem spring pressures - no biggie for most modern lubes. 2.) there has to be something going on to adequately offset the ZDDP reduction. There are just too many older fleet engines still out there getting beat on every day. I'll have to side with Chevron here - they have a new gimmick and it must work smile
Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.

#4641424 - 01/20/18 09:47 PM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
BlakeB Offline

Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 49
Loc: Southeast
I'm running the SDE in a LML Duramax, an Iseki 3 cylinder diesel, and for top off in various engines. I have been getting the 1 and 2.5 gallon jugs of SDE for the Duramax and the Iseki, for everything else I'm using the 5 gallon buckets which is still the Cj-4. I have been topping the duramax off with the CJ-4 when I'm out of SDE (mixing the SDE CK-4 and CJ--4) with no issues. I figure the 5 gallon buckets will be Ck-4 before too long, so at that point that is what I'll start using in everything, even some original (over 12k hours) John Deere engines as old as the early 80's.

Bottom line: I think the SDE is good oil and I'm not worried about using it in anything I have that takes a diesel oil. I think all the fear of Ck-4 oil started with Ford.... I don't think Fords apparent issues with CK4 had anything to do with the oil honestly. We had 2 6.7 powerstrokes and they ran on rotella T6 5w-40 Cj-4 and we had fits with both of them, I think they had engineering and emissions related problems, not oil related. I feel like the transition to CK-4 oils was just their scapegoat to point all their problems at... but I'm biased and left Ford with a bad a taste in my mouth.

#4642466 - 01/22/18 12:14 AM Re: Chevron Delo 400 SDE 15W-40 [Re: ytech]
PiperOne Offline

Registered: 10/25/17
Posts: 158
Loc: A Highway Near You
Ford's CK-4 issue was valvetrain wear from CK-4/SN oils with lower Phosphorus levels (under 1000ppm)...even though some of the oils on the "approved list" are lower phos. Ford looks pretty silly in all of this.
HDEO in Diesel Engines. No spark plugs here.