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#4623156 - 01/03/18 09:11 PM Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T
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Registered: 05/21/17
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Here's the latest report for my Civic. Re-filled with 5w30. Wonder now if I should've stick with 0w20...numbers look really good. FD is estimated again, so I'll request the lab to do the GC on this parameter. Although viscosity doesn't look too bad. Oil held up really well and OCI can be extended for sure (as it looks to me). Comments are welcomed




Edited by parshisa (01/03/18 09:19 PM)
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#4623182 - 01/03/18 09:34 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Best looking Honda 1.5T UOA I've seen. Every other one has viscosity in the high 5s, low 6s and FD >5% when measur d by GC.

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#4623187 - 01/03/18 09:36 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Really nice run.
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#4623194 - 01/03/18 09:44 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: Danh]
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I kinda feel bad now for dumping it that early. Should’ve pull the sample thru the dipstick. Also, not sure if 30 weight was really required here..
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#4623206 - 01/03/18 09:49 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Also, would like to mention that I started premium at around 2k miles. Level dropped a bit and never moved since i’ve Added 0.2qts
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#4623540 - 01/04/18 09:07 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
I kinda feel bad now for dumping it that early. Should’ve pull the sample thru the dipstick. Also, not sure if 30 weight was really required here..
You could do fine on 0w20 as long as your fuel dilution remains low like that. However, in TX, with a potential fuel diluter, and you maybe wanting to go 7,500 miles instead of a short 4k mile interval, your decision to go 5w30 full synthetic is wise. Plenty of visc safety margin for a 7,500 mile run.

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#4623784 - 01/04/18 12:08 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: Danh]
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Originally Posted By: Danh
Best looking Honda 1.5T UOA I've seen. Every other one has viscosity in the high 5s, low 6s and FD >5% when measur d by GC.


Looks like gasoline choice could be a factor with these engines when it comes to fuel dilution.
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#4635626 - 01/15/18 10:53 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Here's an updated report with fuel dilution been measured rather than estimated. Very questionable accuracy if you ask me. Previous UOA with lower vis - no dilution, higher this time around - 3.7 confused
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#4636323 - 01/16/18 05:55 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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So if I'm reading this right, it has (or at least had) about 14.5k miles on it at the 2nd UOA?

Break in metals are nicely low, overall.

Premium syns for 5k mile OCIs? Wasteful .... but I suspect that will fall on deaf ears.
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#4636344 - 01/16/18 06:42 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: dnewton3]
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totally agree. I will attempt to extend oci this time around to at least 7500, pull the sample and have it tested. my main concern was fuel dilution leading to extreme increase in total oil volume (which happened to be the case only with factory fill). having slightly higher viscosity to start with i think 7500 will be doable, perhaps even further. we shall see
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#4636578 - 01/16/18 10:58 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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I disagree that something is wasteful just because you didn't use it to the bitter end. There is value to some people in using things within their limits, and not always pushing it (peace of mind i suppose). To me a good UOA is a good UOA, you don't always need to ring out every penny. Oil is cheap.
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#4636593 - 01/16/18 11:12 AM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: JoelB]
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What I mean saying I totally agree is that I could really go further on that oil, viscosity was fine, plenty of TBN left. To me, it’s more about finding the sweet spot between decent mileage on the oil and good wear numbers. Knowing that this particular oil can go 5k I feel comfortable extending OCI this time around. Hope this makes sense
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#4636640 - 01/16/18 12:05 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: JoelB]
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Originally Posted By: JoelB
I disagree that something is wasteful just because you didn't use it to the bitter end. There is value to some people in using things within their limits, and not always pushing it (peace of mind i suppose). To me a good UOA is a good UOA, you don't always need to ring out every penny. Oil is cheap.


How do you define "bitter end"? Would that not be where some product or equipment is used to a point of actual damage? Not a limit of self-imposed fear-mongering, but actual data-driven proof of degradation?

I have run dino oils out to 15k miles in a few different applications, including soccer-mom mini-van abuse, and yet the UOAs came back fine. I continually run 10k miles on RK dino oil (about as inexpensive as you'll ever find retail), and yet the UOAs are fine.

If I can run dino oils REPEATEDLY and SAFELY out to 15k miles, where is that "bitter end"? And if syns are "better" than dino oils, just where is the end of bitter?


5k miles on Amsoil?
Whether you recognize it or not, that is WASTE.


parshisa has a decent plan. Take a few UOAs, extend as indicated, and continue. If fuel dilution is the concern, that is an INPUT to the wear. The RESULT is wear metal data. As long as that is not affected, continue on with caution.

We so very often hear the "cheap insurance" argument bantered over and over and over again.
If a "normal" product can go well past your intended use, it's not "cheap" to use a more expensive product in an ever-shorter duration.
It is waste.

Allow me to quote myself from another thread:
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I love making analogies, because it often illuminates the obviousness some folks seem to overlook.
At the end of your work day, upon arriving home, you might want a beer with dinner. All you ever plan to consume is 12oz (because that's your self-imposed limit), but you buy 16oz bottles of beer because it's "cheap insurance" in case you want a bit more. Fine - so your selected product (16oz) already has the potential to cover your "overage" concerns. Typically, you just toss out 4oz every night. So then does it make sense to buy a bigger vessel (24oz or 40oz), if all you ever do is consume 12oz? Even if you went over your "normal" usage of 12oz, you've got 4oz in reserve with your typical 16oz product. Why buy an even larger beer that you're just going to throw away the unused portion, because of your self-imposed limit?


My point? Dino oils can EASILY cover out to 10k miles in most applications. So using a syn for 5k miles is not "cheap". It's "waste". In fact, even a dino oil changed at 5k miles is waste; it's just less wasteful than using syns at that duration.

The most irritating thing about the membership of this site is that MOST of them double down on waste. Not only do they over-buy and under-utilize their lubes, but then they willfully ignore the data they paid for, by eschewing the information in a UOA, and sticking with their emotional "It's cheap insurance" mentality.
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- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money

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#4636678 - 01/16/18 12:50 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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Registered: 06/27/16
Posts: 220
Loc: Minnesota
We have all seen your long posts, and numerous comments about people being wasteful. It doesn't fall on deaf ears, most of us just don't care. I personally enjoy changing my oil, I like seeing fresh amber oil on the dipstick. I prefer synthetic because of the harsh environment i live in, and necessary or not it's only a few dollars more a year for me to use it.

Not all members here want to run long drain intervals, and i really can't see telling them they're being wasteful will do much.
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#4636735 - 01/16/18 01:27 PM Re: Amsoil 0w20 SS, 4591mi, Civic 1.5T [Re: parshisa]
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5W-30 won't hurt.
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