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#4620842 - 01/01/18 04:38 PM M1 to PP
Hogwash Offline


Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 13
Loc: USA
Been using M1 in my vehicles for years with no issues. But lately I've been reading some good things about Penzoil Platinum. Thinking about possibly trying it in my Tacoma 4.0. Finding it in 5w-30 is not a problem. But finding it in 0w-20 for the wife's RAV4 hydrid has been challenging. If it's not available in that weight, why not?

Also...with HM oils it seems like the preference around here is M1 Hm vs the PP. Any particular reason?
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#4620850 - 01/01/18 04:44 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 13661
Loc: Illinois
All M1 oils are considered grp 4 oil with a base stock of PAO, esters, and other synthetic fluids.


Edited by tig1 (01/01/18 04:52 PM)
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#4620852 - 01/01/18 04:46 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
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Loc: Idaho
Marketing seems to work.
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#4620859 - 01/01/18 04:52 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
irv Online   content


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 1063
Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: Hogwash
Been using M1 in my vehicles for years with no issues. But lately I've been reading some good things about Penzoil Platinum. Thinking about possibly trying it in my Tacoma 4.0. Finding it in 5w-30 is not a problem. But finding it in 0w-20 for the wife's RAV4 hydrid has been challenging. If it's not available in that weight, why not?

Also...with HM oils it seems like the preference around here is M1 Hm vs the PP. Any particular reason?


Tig1, it's the guys 1st post. Pretty good probability he doesn't know what any of that means?

Welcome to the site, Hogwash. No idea why you are having a hard time finding 0W-20 but like you're wanting to do, I did years ago when I seen/read on here many UOA's from Pennzoil looked better than the UAO's from Mobil.

Also, Pennzoil was also highly recommended to me by many members on here so I have looked back since.
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#4620886 - 01/01/18 05:16 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
Dylan1303 Offline


Registered: 10/14/15
Posts: 180
Loc: Washington
Ive used pp in my tiburon for quite a while and i sold it to my father in law. He switched to castrol edge and it uses about 1 qt every 3k instead of the quarter quart it would use on pp. i use it my other vechiles and cant be happyier
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#4620894 - 01/01/18 05:24 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
Starman2112 Offline


Registered: 11/27/15
Posts: 313
Loc: East Tennessee
PP is fine oil. But, why switch when itís harder for you to find in 0W-20 and is no better than M1?
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#4620896 - 01/01/18 05:26 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
UncleDave Offline


Registered: 06/02/14
Posts: 1637
Loc: Ca.
I used the two brands interchangeably now and pick up whichever viscosity I get a deal on - which is almost always the Mobil brand.

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#4620899 - 01/01/18 05:26 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4298
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
The HM oils usually mentioned here are Valvoline Maxlife and M1.

You can switch to Pennzoil Platinum and probably will not notice a difference at all. M1 is a good oil as are any of the major brands. As mentioned already, marketing is a very strong influence at telling consumers that one oil is better than the rest.
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#4620912 - 01/01/18 05:34 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29774
Loc: NY
Both are very good oils although at the moment I prefer Pennzoil. I look for an online source, like AMZN or WMT, then look for a good deal which can often be combined with a rebate, and load up. I've been doing just that for years, and never have to worry about getting oil or a filter when it comes time for an oil change. I'll typically have a 6-24 month supply on hand.
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#4620931 - 01/01/18 05:45 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
Hogwash Offline


Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 13
Loc: USA
Thanks folks. And yes...I known little about the terminology. Been lurking for a while and figured I'd post up.

Walmart has PP for a little cheaper than the M1. But some of you may be right. If M1 is a fine oil...no sense in rocking the boat.

I typically use a Fram Tough Gaurd cartridge filter and M1 0w-20 on the RAV and an M1 filter and M1 5w-30 on the Taco. 5k OCIs. Those OCIs might be a bit of overkill. But it's what I'm comfortable doing.

Father in law is a tight wad with his vehicles. I do the OCs on his '03 Dakota and '04 Sienna and have for years. Both vehicles have used SuperTech conventional 5w-30 and SuperTech filters for many years. I switched to the HM SuperTech formula a couple of years back. Both vehicles are well north of 100k miles and run great with nothing burned between OCs
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#4620981 - 01/01/18 06:25 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2745
Loc: Wet side WA


Edited by JohnnyJohnson (01/01/18 06:36 PM)
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#4620993 - 01/01/18 06:32 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
irv Online   content


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 1063
Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: Hogwash
Thanks folks. And yes...I known little about the terminology. Been lurking for a while and figured I'd post up.

Walmart has PP for a little cheaper than the M1. But some of you may be right. If M1 is a fine oil...no sense in rocking the boat.

I typically use a Fram Tough Gaurd cartridge filter and M1 0w-20 on the RAV and an M1 filter and M1 5w-30 on the Taco. 5k OCIs. Those OCIs might be a bit of overkill. But it's what I'm comfortable doing.

Father in law is a tight wad with his vehicles. I do the OCs on his '03 Dakota and '04 Sienna and have for years. Both vehicles have used SuperTech conventional 5w-30 and SuperTech filters for many years. I switched to the HM SuperTech formula a couple of years back. Both vehicles are well north of 100k miles and run great with nothing burned between OCs


I am not looking to start an oil battle, but if the price of the PP is cheaper, that is the route I'd go. Like I mentioned earlier, it was suggested to me years ago to run Pennzoil based on it receiving better UOA's (Less wear metals than Mobil, typically) and a far better price.
I don't mind paying more for something that I know is better, but it bugs the h*ll out of me paying more for something that is inferior.
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2013 Ram Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
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#4621040 - 01/01/18 07:09 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
Bryanccfshr Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 5717
Loc: Durango, Co
I dont think you can go wrong with either choice.
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#4621046 - 01/01/18 07:16 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: Hogwash]
NormanBuntz Offline


Registered: 07/27/13
Posts: 2123
Loc: Outer Banks, NC
Why not use your Tough Guard filters for two oil change intervals if they're only 5K?
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#4621207 - 01/01/18 09:37 PM Re: M1 to PP [Re: tig1]
jongies3 Offline


Registered: 03/11/16
Posts: 800
Loc: MT
Originally Posted By: tig1
All M1 oils are considered grp 4 oil with a base stock of PAO, esters, and other synthetic fluids.

I'd like to see a valid source on this, care to share?
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