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Anti-Freeze for Alaska #4620234
01/01/18 01:11 AM
01/01/18 01:11 AM
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chicagoland
Lee4212 Offline OP
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Guys talking in break room and we wondered what anti freeze they use in places like Alaska. Wouldn't that be good for area's like me right now at -5 degrees and just nasty cold air ? We we're just wondering.

Last edited by wwillson; 01/01/18 02:01 PM. Reason: subject clarification
Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4620237
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If you mix any antifreeze right you can get to -30 very easy.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4620238
01/01/18 01:18 AM
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A 55/45 mix will handle the worst cold almost anywhere on the planet.

There are "waterless coolants" also available.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4620240
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50/50 Zerex G05 is good to -34F and I've had it in -36F with no issues at all.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4620245
01/01/18 01:33 AM
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70% will get you down to -60f. They also run block and oil pan heaters.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Linctex] #4620248
01/01/18 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
A 55/45 mix will handle the worst cold almost anywhere on the planet.

There are "waterless coolants" also available.


Im not in Alaska, but my car runs 55/45 mix here. Its been -8 Farenheit most of the week here. I do use a block heater as well.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4620322
01/01/18 07:43 AM
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All the information I can find says with little variation that:

Quote:
By itself ethylene glycol boils at 330F but it doesn't transfer heat very well and its freezing point is -8F. Water is added to improve heat transfer.
Here is a list of boiling and freezing point for Antifreeze to Water mixtures as measured at sea level.
30/70 boils 220F freezes 3F
40/60 boils 225F freezes -12F
50/50 boils 226F freezes -32F
60/40 boils 234F freezes -57F


Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: ThankYouma] #4623887
01/04/18 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: ThankYouma
All the information I can find says with little variation that:

Quote:
By itself ethylene glycol boils at 330F but it doesn't transfer heat very well and its freezing point is -8F. Water is added to improve heat transfer.


It's actually +8 crzy

I was able to find this chart from a google search:

Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4623908
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It varies because ethylene glycol does not have a well defined freezing point, but the melting point is generally listed as +9 deg. F. The freezing point is somewhat higher.

That graph is one of my favorite graphs to post when discussions like this come up. It clearly shows the power of a solute in a solution vs. a pure substance. After 50% you are seeing the effect of the water on the glycol.

The sweet spot is definitely at about 65%. Once in a while we get someone posting about how they run straight antifreeze to get maximum freeze protection. This graph shows why that is a foolish notion (apart from the much lower specific heat capacity of glycol).


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4624020
01/04/18 03:49 PM
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When a mixture is >50-55% glycol it doesn't expand when it freezes (into a gel, not a hard crystalline mass) and therefore won't crack things. So even in Oymyakon, Yakutia, Siberia 60/40 should be safe.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4624135
01/04/18 05:52 PM
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So 65% seems to be the solution for when it's science fiction cold out.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: DoubleWasp] #4624245
01/04/18 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
So 65% seems to be the solution for when it's science fiction cold out.

Correct, and when I said "sweet spot" I meant only for the lowest freezing point not the optimal mixture for operation. In general you shouldn't mix it any more concentrated than you need since the specific heat capacity of glycol is quite a bit less than water. Some coolants specify a minimum (and maximum) concentration which obviously should be observed.


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: kschachn] #4624286
01/04/18 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
After 50% you are seeing the effect of the water on the glycol.



?? what?
it is called a "eutectic mixture"


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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: DoubleWasp] #4624391
01/04/18 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
So 65% seems to be the solution for when it's science fiction cold out.

I would say so. I usually aim for about 60/40. That way, if I'm over on the glycol side, I'm not pushing the limits there, and if I have a bit too much water, I'll still be over closer to 55/45 and have plenty of protection. I've seen vehicles freeze up before, but never one of mine.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Anti-Freeze for Alaska [Re: Lee4212] #4624419
01/05/18 12:02 AM
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Had one incident. We hit 40 below that night in Saskatoon, Canada. Had mushy ice in the rad but no damage. I try go to on the high side of 50 % with the glycol ever since.

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