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#4619997 - 12/31/17 06:04 PM Choosing an oil and filter...newbie
zaphod_b Offline


Registered: 12/10/17
Posts: 1
Loc: Minnesota, US
Hi all,
I just bought my first car, it's an 07 Honda Fit with 175k miles on it. I'm doing an oil change first thing...because I know nothing about the maintenance history of the vehicle! I figured I'd mention that since maybe it has some bearing on what oil is best (I'm assuming the engine has been poorly treated).

I'm in the Midwest, it'll probably continue to be in the negatives (-16F yesterday!) for a while and it gets up into 110 occasionally during summer so I will be driving in extreme temps. I do a short drive around town (0.5-5 miles of stop and go) about once a day, and then a ~60 mile drive up to visit family every week or every other week. That long drive is on a freeway, ~70mph.

I'm not really sure how to characterize my driving but I'd probably say I drive fairly hard, I certainly don't have a super light foot.

Thank you so much for your help, BIOG!

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#4620003 - 12/31/17 06:10 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
JeffKeryk Offline


Registered: 01/09/10
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Loc: Los Gatos, CA
I would use Mobil-1 High Mileage, in the factory recommended weight. Probably 5w20 or 0w20.
The Valvoline MaxLife Semi Synthetic is good stuff also, if you wanna save $10.
I generally use M1 or Wix filters.
By the way, I would service all the fluids: trans, brake, power steering, atf.

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#4620035 - 12/31/17 06:47 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
double vanos Offline


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Well first off welcome . Sounds like you have a great car - Iíll second JeffKeryk suggestion on oil.
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#4620038 - 12/31/17 06:48 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: JeffKeryk]
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Originally Posted By: JeffKeryk
I would use Mobil-1 High Mileage, in the factory recommended weight. Probably 5w20 or 0w20.
The Valvoline MaxLife Semi Synthetic is good stuff also, if you wanna save $10.
I generally use M1 or Wix filters.
By the way, I would service all the fluids: trans, brake, power steering, atf.


+1, assuming your engine calls for a 20wt oil.
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#4620058 - 12/31/17 07:06 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
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Seeing as your from Minny, I'd also choose a "0" or "5" good quality synthetic.
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#4620093 - 12/31/17 08:06 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
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Registered: 09/06/15
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So need to know more ... Any leaks, weeps, or seeps? What's the oil consumption? Any odd noises on cold start? What's it look like under the oil fill cap? Does Carfax show any maintenance records? Have you changed the PCV yet?

With that many miles, I would expect some normal bearing wear. Enough that a 30 grade would be a decent option at op temp. And seeing as you are in the frozen north, a 0W would be good for cold starts, etc. So I'd prolly try a 0W-30 and see what happens laugh


Edited by BrocLuno (12/31/17 08:08 PM)
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#4620096 - 12/31/17 08:17 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 2042
Loc: socal
If you donít mind doing your own oil changes, then I would use dino or syn blend 5w20/30 w any jobber filter w 5k OCI. If u rather change the oil as seldom as possible, then use a full syn oil w a syn media filter like fram ultra w 10k OCIs. I prefer the 5k oci, itís been working for me and I like getting under the vehicles to make sure all is well
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#4620118 - 12/31/17 08:46 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
burla Offline


Registered: 11/07/16
Posts: 255
Loc: sonoma
Spun Micro Glass filters are extremely beneficial. They flow better, filter better, and last longer as they do not degrade. filter test Spun Microglass got top three spots, Royal Purple on top, Amsoil second a RP clone, or fram ultra, Wix XP is another spun microglass but didn't make the test. Look at these rectangles, whatever is on these filters is what makes it through the media. So the white rectangle on top, has nearly zero contamination at 30 microns, see rectangles below.


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#4620122 - 12/31/17 08:54 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
burla Offline


Registered: 11/07/16
Posts: 255
Loc: sonoma
As for performance in the cold, nothing will beat ester/pao based stuff in the extremes, Redline will pour down a full ten degrees more then group 3 oil with the same 0 winter ratings. Read tech sheets, every oil has a pour point. M1 is also a pretty good choice, but not every oil is created equal in the cold, check this video out, really shows the benefits of 0 winter ratings. Also shows that with redline 5 winter rating is as good as group 3 oil with 0 winter ratings, and it even gets better if you use 0 winter rating redline. If you chose redline with a RP filter, that is a long oil change interval combo, you should be good for a year or around 15k miles, you should verify your own engine with a uoa if you want to extend OCI in an older engine like yours. Redline is that clear oil in the middle.

click expanded view on video to see oils. Not really super scientific, but the results are plain as day.

cold flow oil video

Another one shows similar flow, but two are cloudy and one is crystal clear.

another cool oil vid


Edited by burla (12/31/17 09:06 PM)

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#4620166 - 12/31/17 10:26 PM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: burla]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Pour point as a measure of winter performance was obsolete many, many years, ago, though. Do note that I can find you a 15w-40 with a very miraculous pour point of something like -45 C that you wouldn't want to try in our current temperatures. 15w- is 15w-, regardless of whether the pour point is -20 C or somewhere near absolute zero.
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#4620208 - 01/01/18 12:26 AM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: burla]
Serge Offline


Registered: 09/22/16
Posts: 61
Loc: Minnesota, USA
Burla, thanks for using my cold flow video! Minnesota winters can be a little extreme sometimes. I ended up using cheap $3 a quart Resolute oil from FleetFarm. Very cheap and flows very simular to fancy Mobil 1. Not worth paying a fancy price for M1.


Edited by Serge (01/01/18 12:27 AM)
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#4620222 - 01/01/18 12:53 AM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: Serge]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Serge
Minnesota winters can be a little extreme sometimes.


Minnesota winters = SALT!!

You can run almost any modern oil (really, I'm not just saying that)

But look into getting some anti-rust treatment under your car.
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#4620305 - 01/01/18 07:06 AM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 12261
Loc: The Old North State
Quote:

The GMC Truck oil filter patch results comparison has been shown unreliable many times in postings on the oil filter sub forum. Some examples, filters with the EXACT same media like Wix/Napa Gold and Fram Extra Guard(orange can) and High Mileage showed very different patch test results. Also filters rated more efficient in industry standard ISO 4548-12 testing showed worse results than lower rated filters, eg. Purolator Pure One versus Classic. Doesn't mean synthetic media filters like Amsoil, Royal Purple and Fram Ultra aren't excellent extended oci oil filters, just that the basement GMC patch comparison doesn't prove it. Beyond that, dissection pics worth a look.

To topic, 5w20 is spec so most any API rated 5w20 or 0w20 will get the job done. Synthetic oil price points with (especially) or without rebate is now so close to conventional makes them a good choice, more so for ~6k+ mi. ocis. Castrol Magnatec, Quaker State Ultimate Durability and Mobile One either 5w20 or 0w20 come to mind. There are others too, some that have been mentioned.

As for filters, I'd choose one that like oem uses a silicone anti drain back valve. Napa Gold, Wix (same filters) are a good choice on Hondas ime. Fram Ultra also a good choice especially if oci ~10k+ miles.

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#4620396 - 01/01/18 09:33 AM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
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Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 5780
Loc: Michigan
Mobil 1 High Mileage
Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage
Castrol Edge High Mileage
5w-20 or 30.

Filters are all over the place. Pick one that is a step up from the bottom ones.
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#4620398 - 01/01/18 09:36 AM Re: Choosing an oil and filter...newbie [Re: zaphod_b]
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Loc: WI.
0/40 M1 and a Fram Ultra down at Walmart run the oil out 10k and filter 20k.
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