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#4617625 - 12/29/17 10:00 AM Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5)
vase Offline


Registered: 12/26/17
Posts: 5
Loc: England
Hi I bought some oil to service my BMW 330cd. I ordered Castrol Edge 0w30 A5/B5 in error.
I realized this just before I was about to refill the car. I went to the car parts place to buy the 0w30 which had BMW LL04 on the bottle.
However as I had bought the a5/B5 oil in early Dec and I didn't have time off work to do the job till after xmas I can no longer return this oil.


So I've been trying to find out the difference between Edge 0w30 and edge 0w30 A5/B5. Would this have caused catastrophic engine failure in my BMW?
I am a high mileage driver I do about 20k a year and I change the oil every 10k.

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#4617658 - 12/29/17 10:31 AM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


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Your car will never know and it won't rat you out to your dealership. But if you still feel paranoid about it mix them.
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Out: QSUD 5W-30 Purolator One 5030
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#4617787 - 12/29/17 12:50 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
Linctex Offline


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Originally Posted By: vase_shagger
Would this have caused catastrophic engine failure in my BMW?


Short answer - No.

Your car won't care.
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#4617802 - 12/29/17 01:08 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
Bailes1992 Offline


Registered: 03/10/17
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Loc: South Wales, UK
I wouldn't. A5/B5 is a low HTHS, high SAPS oil. LL04 is a high HTHS, mid SAPS oil.

Or if you are going to run it, stick to a 10k interval and don't beat on the engine too much. My 1.5TDCI Ford Focus destroyed Castrol Edge 0w30 A5/B5 in 5000miles.

Castrol Edge 0w30 A5/B5 is a great oil for N/A petrols. Not so much turbo diesels.
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#4617977 - 12/29/17 05:05 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
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Registered: 06/15/04
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Oils have specs for reasons. Will it cause catastrophic engine failure? No it won't, but if your car has a DPF (diesel particulate filter), the higher ash content in the full SAPS oil you bought COULD negatively affect the life of the DPF due to the higher SAP or "ash" in the oil additive package. For one oil change kept to 5000 miles vs your normal 10k miles, then you could maybe still use the oil. But for me, I would just use it to change oil on a different, more compatible engine, such as another family member or friend's car.

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#4618045 - 12/29/17 05:59 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
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Here are the ACEA sequences
http://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf

That Edge A5/B5 is a good oil, but it's high-SAPS and low HTHS.
The Edge C3 is the opposite, it's low or mid-SAPS and high HTHS, it also has the BMW LL-04 spec that you require.

The zombie apocalypse hasn't hit yet, so no reason to run the wrong oil in your car just yet. Feed it the correct stuff and find a friend or relative that uses an A5/B5 oil. It's not such an expensive mistake that you can't walk away from it, and why risk a more expensive mistake by using it (unlikely as it would be to cause any significant damage).
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#4618507 - 12/30/17 06:59 AM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
vase Offline


Registered: 12/26/17
Posts: 5
Loc: England
Hi all,
I'm glad I erred on the side of caution after reading this stuff, although the car is a 2005 it doesn't have a DPF filter.
It's very confusing these days buying oil I bet I won't be the only one to fall foul!
I can't imagine every back street garage buying drums of every different type of 0w30 oil on the market.


Edited by vase_shagger (12/30/17 07:04 AM)

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#4620214 - 01/01/18 12:40 AM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 4462
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: vase_shagger
I can't imagine every back street garage buying drums of every different type of 0w30 oil on the market.

Hi VS,

I was walking past a small back street garage the other day, with just two bays. I poked my head in to see what oil they used, they had three types, all full synthetic Castrol and all in 20 L drums

- Castrol Edge 5W30 A3/B4, high SAPS and BMW LL-01, MB 229.5, API SL (high zinc)
- Magnatec Professional 5W40 C3, mid SAPS, API SN & Dexos2
- Edge 5W30 C3, lowish-SAPS, VW 504/507, Porsche C30, MB 229.51, BMW LL-04

Or something roughly like that.
They were all full synthetics, all high HTHS (safer to go up than down) and the real choice was low-SAPS Euro / medium-SAPS American or Japanese / high SAPS Euro. This sort of makes sense to me. Sure no ILSAC oils, but who needs 'em. It seems GM Australia is happy to accept the high-HTHS Dexos2 oil instead of the more common low-HTHS Dexos1 oil.

BTW Vase-Shagger, good screen name, this site has it's potty mouth filter set to high-filter. But Aussie and English slang slip straight through.
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#4620740 - 01/01/18 02:59 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: SR5]
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Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Honestly, given some people's usage patterns here, a C3 would work just fine, except for the minuscule fuel economy changes. North Americans usually don't extend OCIs crazily and it's cat safe. The three variants would confuse most non-BITOGers though, or at least people who don't read carefully. wink
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#4621244 - 01/01/18 10:46 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: Garak]
SR5 Offline


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Yep given my typical OCI of 10 000 KM / 6 000 miles / 12 months or less, a C3 oil will do me fine.

Looking at the Castrol Professional series, some of which are listed above. Many of them don't even have an API rating, just Euro ACEA and OEMs. Which is all you need if you have a BMW or MB or VW etc.
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#4621259 - 01/01/18 11:25 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: SR5]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
The two on-shelf C3 versions I have seen did have the SN, so that was covered. Of course, there aren't a lot of vehicles calling for an API only 5w-30 (no ILSAC). The G37 is one of them, though, which ends up bringing Castrol's 5w-30 dexos2/C3 up when I use their lube selector. It's still a bit amusing how many sell sheets simply refer to a C3 lube as VW diesel or diesel car lube, when that isn't exactly technically accurate. If people in charge or ordering and marketing these oils would pay full attention to the specifications and viscosity on file, rather than trying to pigeonhole a certain lube as a GM car diesel lube or a VW diesel lube, a lot of confusion would be spared. I'd have no problem with such a lube, either, aside from the fact that the container sizes aren't very useful to me, with me either having to get one litre bottles or something way too large.

The number of truly solely diesel specific lubes out there is very small (the current API CK-4 only lubes don't count, as far as I'm concerned, as they haven't changed that much), and the odds of accidentally coming across a lube that has no business in a gasoline motor are pretty low, unless you're buying stock from a local ship or train yard.
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#4621786 - 01/02/18 01:35 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: vase]
DangerousDan Offline


Registered: 06/20/13
Posts: 25
Loc: Fargo, ND
I am curious about this thread. My car requires "SAE 0W-30 meeting Jaguar Land Rover specification STJLR.03.5007" which as far as I can tell means Castrol EDGE Professional E 0W-30 here in the USA. It seems to be the same stuff as they sell for Honda diesels in the EU and UK.

At 0.79% and C2, it is a low SAPS oil. JLR specs a 20,000 mile OCI, so this stuff must be some kind of magic sauce or else they don't care about long term reliability.

JLR is doing the oil changes every 20,000 out to 60,000, but I had it changed myself at 10,000 miles. The price of the oil alone brought tears to my eyes. Even on line in the UK it runs about 60 GBP for the 6 liters needed for an oil change. In the US it seems to be available only from a JLR dealer.

Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30 is a C2 oil available in 0W-30 as well. The prices I am seeing are also quite high, but it is much more available than the Castrol seems to be. Since I do not plan on running out to 20,000 miles without UOA the Mobil might be an alternative once the warranty and service run out.

Based on my VW experience I am very comfortable running out to a 10,000 mile OCI. Double that makes me wonder. Any thoughts on the following:

1) What makes this Castrol stuff so special
2) What would be good alternative oils to try once the warranty runs out

would be appreciated.
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#4621872 - 01/02/18 03:14 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: DangerousDan]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
What year is your Land Rover, and is that the gasser engine? Finding the actual Jaguar specs of any sort is rather hard these days, and I guess that's what makes that specific Castrol variant so special.
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#4621952 - 01/02/18 04:31 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: Garak]
DangerousDan Offline


Registered: 06/20/13
Posts: 25
Loc: Fargo, ND
2017 Jaguar 2.0 Diesel. That with the 20,000 mile OCI is what makes me wonder.
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#4621962 - 01/02/18 04:44 PM Re: Different versions of Edge 0w30 (normal v a5/b5) [Re: DangerousDan]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
I imagine the ULSD is what makes it work. It's hard to say what other lubricant would be most suitable after warranty, but that Mobil 1 C2 product should be close. If we can find out what, if any, differences there are between C2 and the OEM spec, we'd be on our way. wink
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