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A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! #4616185
12/27/17 08:26 PM
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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616203
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For the same money buy a real car like a Benz, BMW or Lexus.

Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616206
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The likely future of all new car purchases??


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616214
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Meh, nothing in that video is really news or specific to Tesla. GM, BMW, Mercedes and even some of the Japanese makes have required vehicle software updates and/or coding when new components are installed. This is not new news. All he is demonstrating (in the first few minutes) is the usage of the online software portal (similar to GM GDS2, Toyota Techstream, BMW ISTA/P) in conjunction with a J2534 device.


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616276
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LOL


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: The Critic] #4616277
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Meh, nothing in that video is really news or specific to Tesla. GM, BMW, Mercedes and even some of the Japanese makes have required vehicle software updates and/or coding when new components are installed. This is not new news. All he is demonstrating (in the first few minutes) is the usage of the online software portal (similar to GM GDS2, Toyota Techstream, BMW ISTA/P) in conjunction with a J2534 device.


He goes on to demonstrate that, apparently despite Mass. Anti-restraint of trade laws, access to at least some of those functions is restricted to authorised body shops.

He also says Tesla won't sell him some parts when the equivalent part is available for other makes.

That said, I daresay its just an extreme example of a general trend. That doesn't mean that it doesn't somewhat suck.

Serious DIY on new cars, and maybe the car itself, is a dying duck.

If you want the last quack, you need to get something old.

Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616285
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Here's James May on the future of cars

"May said: "The future is not the end of internal combustion, just as we still have steam locomotives for enthusiasts and sailing boats and people ride horses. Cars, as we know them now, will be freed up for people who genuinely love them to drive in certain places not everywhere because that won't be allowed but nice places, special roads, circuits, maybe.

"We won't have been wasting all that oil on driving people to work because they're going around in their electric pods so it won't seem so bad burning it for purposes of pleasure. The future is full of Ferraris."


So he's pretty upbeat. BUT.....

while apparently quite a pleasant old guy and a bit of a thinker, he's also quite a rich old guy, and his vision for the future sounds just a tad elitist.

I seriously doubt MY future is" full of Ferraris."

If I can't afford one now its a fair bet I wont be able to afford one then, and the survivors from the current cheap alternatives will probably cost more than a Ferrari does now.

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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616305
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Teslas are marketed to clever people with a lot of money... IOW, folks who have no interest beyond the warranty period, in essence making the car disposable.

Also if you hate fossil fuels badly enough to early adopt a car with $60k with of batteries your mangina is very very very dry.

PS that's 612,000 miles of gasoline at 25mpg at current prices. LOL INDEED!!!

Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: OneEyeJack] #4616333
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I live in a smaller city, with a fair amount of Tesla's. Problem is the nearest repair depot is 250 miles away. Everything mechanical has issues that need human intervention. I just don't get the tradeoff at play here.
Having procured and managed a small fleet of 100% Ev commercial trucks, all I saw were the frustrations of not having a local dealer.


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: DdDd] #4616383
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Originally Posted By: DdDd

Also if you hate fossil fuels badly enough to early adopt a car with $60k with of batteries your mangina is very very very dry.

PS that's 612,000 miles of gasoline at 25mpg at current prices. LOL INDEED!!!


Sketchy Tesla aside, what is your schtick against technology that could not f__k up our atmosphere?

People didn't think automobiles could replace horses. Thank goodness the markets left those idiots behind. History may be repeating itself.


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: JeepWJ19] #4616400
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Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Originally Posted By: DdDd

Also if you hate fossil fuels badly enough to early adopt a car with $60k with of batteries your mangina is very very very dry.

PS that's 612,000 miles of gasoline at 25mpg at current prices. LOL INDEED!!!


Sketchy Tesla aside, what is your schtick against technology that could not f__k up our atmosphere?

People didn't think automobiles could replace horses. Thank goodness the markets left those idiots behind. History may be repeating itself.
Somebody didn't see that recent pie chart on fossil fuel powered electricity generation, and the weaknesses of the electrical grid re:electric vehicle charging-it is a tech in its infancy-it'll likely be after our lifetimes when it is perfected enough for everyday use, and I'd be surprised if Tesla would be the answer. GM or Toyota seems much more likely.


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: DdDd] #4616422
12/28/17 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: DdDd
Teslas are marketed to clever people with a lot of money... IOW, folks who have no interest beyond the warranty period, in essence making the car disposable.

Also if you hate fossil fuels badly enough to early adopt a car with $60k with of batteries your mangina is very very very dry.

PS that's 612,000 miles of gasoline at 25mpg at current prices. LOL INDEED!!!


You must be one of the smartest people in NY. You sound like you have waaaay too much common sense to live there!!!

Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: DdDd] #4616427
12/28/17 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: DdDd
Teslas are marketed to clever people with a lot of money... IOW, folks who have no interest beyond the warranty period, in essence making the car disposable.


Yep.

Some wealthy folks just need the latest and greatest trinkets, after 2 years they get rid of it.

Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: JeepWJ19] #4616433
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Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Originally Posted By: DdDd

Also if you hate fossil fuels badly enough to early adopt a car with $60k with of batteries your mangina is very very very dry.

PS that's 612,000 miles of gasoline at 25mpg at current prices. LOL INDEED!!!


Sketchy Tesla aside, what is your schtick against technology that could not f__k up our atmosphere?

People didn't think automobiles could replace horses. Thank goodness the markets left those idiots behind. History may be repeating itself.


Building an electric car is worse for our planet that building an ICE car and running it for a lifetime.

Exporting environmental damage to another country is not the same as solving an environmental issue.

It's a shell game. Nothing but a bunch of feel good bull.

As I've said before, the first time a man pointed an arrow at a man holding a gun, the fate of combustion vs. organic power was sealed. It was hundreds of years in the making by the time horse vs. car came around.

There has been no such demonstration of supremacy by the battery/electric system.


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Re: A Tesla out of warranty? OMG! [Re: DoubleWasp] #4616438
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp


Building an electric car is worse for our planet that building an ICE car and running it for a lifetime.



+1

I really wish people could do some logistical thinking about how items get to market.

Ethanol is and always has been a negative BTU fuel. Your average sidewalk junkie in MajorMetroUSA can't figure that term out....it simply means that it takes MORE fuel to produce the ethanol than it puts out.

Then there's that whole .667% efficient versus pure gasoline thing....

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