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My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 #4615571
12/27/17 09:46 AM
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So I left out a bottle of Napa Syn and MS5K (both 5w30) last night. The low was -12ish and it was -10 when I got them from outside.
I was surprised how they performed similarly in my test, in fact, (unscientifically) the MS5K looked thinner and poured slightly more easily. But they both flowed quite well. Take a look!



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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615580
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Should've done the test outside, so the oil doesn't warm up in the house.

Still... Thanks! Good experiment!


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615583
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I'm sure he did it within minutes of bringing it inside.

Thanks...

Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615584
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I did it within about 30 seconds of bringing it inside... I don't think I would've enjoyed doing it outside laugh ! But it was good and cold!


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615585
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Great test !!


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615608
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Originally Posted By: TmanP
I did it within about 30 seconds of bringing it inside... I don't think I would've enjoyed doing it outside laugh ! But it was good and cold!


I vote for our esteemed member Garak to do the next test wink

J/K Garak smile


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615614
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Weird why the synthetic looked a bit thicker.

Also, should have left the oil in the little containers exposed (covered with a napkin or something) so the oil is in identical containers.

When I watched a Mobil 1 cold flow test, they said they poured the competitor brand into a Mobil 1 bottle so there wouldn't be variations of the thickness of the bottle keeping on oil warmed then the other, for example.

We all know 5w flows well. How about you get a 15w40 or something and see how that flows in comparison.


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: Artem] #4615623
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Originally Posted By: Artem
Weird why the synthetic looked a bit thicker.




I thought the same but maybe that shows us that Napa isn't necessarily the best oil to use? Any idea who makes Napa oil?

Of course we can never see enough of these tests, but I'd like to see a 5W-20/30 PP or PUP up against the same from Mobil to see how they compare?
PP currently in my hemi truck (5W-20) and PUP currently in my wife's 3.6 Impala. (5W-30) and it was "0" F here this morning (-18c)


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: irv] #4615636
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Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: Artem
Weird why the synthetic looked a bit thicker.




I thought the same but maybe that shows us that Napa isn't necessarily the best oil to use? Any idea who makes Napa oil?

Of course we can never see enough of these tests, but I'd like to see a 5W-20/30 PP or PUP up against the same from Mobil to see how they compare?
PP currently in my hemi truck (5W-20) and PUP currently in my wife's 3.6 Impala. (5W-30) and it was "0" F here this morning (-18c)





Valvoline makes the oil for Napa. They looked pretty much the same to me.


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615648
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Disappointing for the NAPA (valvo) syn. Kinda ruins my arguments for using synthetics.... or..... could be the cheaper GroupIII base oils aren't as good as what SOPUS and XOM use for their full syns (???) GroupIII+ GTL, and/or makes an argument for the use of at least some PAO in the base oil, like what Mobil1 EP oils have for example.

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Originally Posted By: TmanP
So I left out a bottle of Napa Syn and MS5K (both 5w30) last night. The low was -12ish and it was -10 when I got them from outside.
I was surprised how they performed similarly in my test, in fact, (unscientifically) the MS5K looked thinner and poured slightly more easily. But they both flowed quite well. Take a look!



Too cold to watch. Tell me when it warms up.


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: TmanP] #4615655
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When is the NAPA synthetic going to be on sale for $2.99? I am out of oil for Subaru vehicles.


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: oil_film_movies] #4615663
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Disappointing for the NAPA (valvo) syn. Kinda ruins my arguments for using synthetics.... or..... could be the cheaper GroupIII base oils aren't as good as what SOPUS and XOM use for their full syns (???) GroupIII+ GTL, and/or makes an argument for the use of at least some PAO in the base oil, like what Mobil1 EP oils have for example.



This is an interesting test and thanks to the OP but even he would tell you it’s completely unscientific. Did he pour the two oils exactly the same way for example.

This was a good exercise but we cannot make any judgement here based on it unless the results were vastly different, and they weren’t.


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: 53' Stude] #4615664
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Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: TmanP
I did it within about 30 seconds of bringing it inside... I don't think I would've enjoyed doing it outside laugh ! But it was good and cold!


I vote for our esteemed member Garak to do the next test wink

J/K Garak smile


Well … without mentioning names … I think it’s our distinguished engineer from Oz … Happy Birthday BTW … who really likes the 5w glug testing … wink
Not sure if this was standard temp for 5w GT’s …


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Re: My pour point test (MS5k vs Napa syn) @-10 [Re: oil_film_movies] #4615669
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Disappointing for the NAPA (valvo) syn. Kinda ruins my arguments for using synthetics.... or..... could be the cheaper GroupIII base oils aren't as good as what SOPUS and XOM use for their full syns (???) GroupIII+ GTL, and/or makes an argument for the use of at least some PAO in the base oil, like what Mobil1 EP oils have for example.


XOM has been expanding GII+ production to meet OEM standard at a value based cost … could be this Mobil conventional be from this base fluid


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