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Best product to help cold weather starts #4614364
12/26/17 06:13 AM
12/26/17 06:13 AM
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Missouri, USA
Tlhfirelion Offline OP
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Would I be best served getting an engine oil heater or a battery warmer? I don't have a garage and my 2001 Toyota Sequoia kinda struggles a little to start when it gets near zero. Battery is only a few years old and it was tested and is fine. It offers plenty of CCA and CA. I just wonder if anything can make the start a little easier on those zero degree mornings. Once started it warms up surprisingly fast. Thanks!

Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614367
12/26/17 06:21 AM
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Given the choice of one or the other. I'd go with the oil pan heater.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614373
12/26/17 06:34 AM
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I would say both are overkill on the few zero days you might have. A good Syn 0w or 5w oil would allow it to start easily.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614389
12/26/17 06:58 AM
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Virginia Beach
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Synthetic oil and a brand new battery.

Its not that cold there.

If you lived where Garak lives, I would say block heater...

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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614399
12/26/17 07:12 AM
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Id go battery warmer.

Just a matter of time before battery starts to struggle, then it becomes a fairly big deal vs waiting a couple minutes for car to warm up a bit.

I remember back in the day my dad used to place a small lantern under the car and we had an electric/heated dip stick. I wonder if a drop light placed near/directed at the oil pan would have any impact? Sure would be a lot cheaper

For that matter, drop lite aimed at battery with a blanket or something over partially-opened hood


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: ZZman] #4614401
12/26/17 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
I would say both are overkill on the few zero days you might have. A good Syn 0w or 5w oil would allow it to start easily.


+1. I live in Illinois and 0-20 helps my engines to spin over very well in the coldest temps we see here. -10F.

Last edited by tig1; 12/26/17 07:15 AM.

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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Finz] #4614412
12/26/17 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: Finz
Id go battery warmer.

Just a matter of time before battery starts to struggle, then it becomes a fairly big deal vs waiting a couple minutes for car to warm up a bit.

I remember back in the day my dad used to place a small lantern under the car and we had an electric/heated dip stick. I wonder if a drop light placed near/directed at the oil pan would have any impact? Sure would be a lot cheaper

For that matter, drop lite aimed at battery with a blanket or something over partially-opened hood


Why the "partially-opened hood?"

With a combustion-based heater I can see it would reduce explosion risk and vent condensation, but with an electric source (I assume a "drop light" is like an inspection lamp) you're just losing heat.

I have a wee drink warming hot plate I might use if I had electricity, but I don't, so I don't. Doesn't really get cold here anyway.

I do sometimes use butane into the air cleaner, instead of using choke, which seems to be broken anyway. I'd guess a FI car is going to ignore that and over fuel anyway, but with a carb it avoids fuel wash down.

Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614437
12/26/17 08:16 AM
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I would check your battery cables (and the starter cables) and make sure the connections are all clean and tight. Clean them with a wire brush so they are nice and shiny.

What oil are you running?


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614444
12/26/17 08:32 AM
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Don't rule out internally corroded battery cables, either.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614449
12/26/17 08:39 AM
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Upstate NY
Donald Offline
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Synthetic oil will make a difference. If you already have synthetic oil then try the oil pan heater. Best is a engine block heater.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614458
12/26/17 08:47 AM
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Minnesota
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a well tuned motor...

Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614470
12/26/17 08:57 AM
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Get a new battery and put some.Mobil 1. It's always been the best for cold weather.

Check your spark plugs.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614481
12/26/17 09:13 AM
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NY, NY
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Yep. Good battery, good quality cables and synthetic oil. I don't worry about my Suburban starting at zero degrees.

Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614505
12/26/17 09:41 AM
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plug in if the temp gets insane. That's all I use and I live where Garak lives... well more north. I make sure the battery works, if it can hold a good charge it wont freeze... too bad.

The ambient was around the -30C the other morning. Plugged the Cummins in for 3 hours and it fired right up. Which is surprising since it runs PetroCan 10w30 semisynthetic, not Amsoil 0w40 PAO based ultra priced oil changed at 3000 miles with a bypass filter.....

Sorry, I like to volley some shots out from time to time.


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Re: Best product to help cold weather starts [Re: Tlhfirelion] #4614507
12/26/17 09:43 AM
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Not tha t my oil needs help, but the 1+ qart of fuel in there helps thing along nicely.


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