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Kia oil grades #4612925
12/24/17 10:17 AM
12/24/17 10:17 AM
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South Africa
Matt97 Offline OP
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South Africa
Just replaced a timing chain on a Kia Rio 2013 model with 60 000km on the clock .No idea why it failed at that mileage.
More puzzling is the fact that Kia uses 5w30 oils in all passenger models yet 5w40 in the koup .Why ? Surely the difference is negligible ?

Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4612940
12/24/17 10:36 AM
12/24/17 10:36 AM
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SW Ontario Canada
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The difference is small for 5w30 vs 5w40 but the Koup might have a smidgen more advertised power? I assume this was a warranty repair...was it the chain or the tensioner that failed?


2017.5 Nissan Rogue SV FWD
2013 Nissan Maxima SV
2009 Ford Flex SEL FWD
1984 Yamaha XJ750RL
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613005
12/24/17 11:44 AM
12/24/17 11:44 AM
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Illinois
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Kia/Hyundai TGDI motors can use 5w-40 oil.


2016 KIA Forte SX 1.6L T-GDI Daughter
2013 Chevy Impala LT 3.6L GDI Mine
2014 Chrysler 200S 3.6L PFI Wife
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613016
12/24/17 11:54 AM
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Campbellsville, KY
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Several of the 2013/14 Kia/Hyundai owners manuals I've consulted before changing say "5w20... or "5w30 preferred for general performance and fuel economy" (blah blah, more CAFE speak) but the temp. scale shows 10w30 from 0* F up.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: KGMtech] #4613041
12/24/17 12:28 PM
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South Africa
Matt97 Offline OP
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Car was a year out of warranty ,Kia not interested .Tensioner was on max adjustment and the inlet cam had jumped about 5 teeth due to the slack chain .

Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Alex_V] #4613047
12/24/17 12:33 PM
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South Africa
Matt97 Offline OP
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South Africa
Also thought these exotic grades are more to do with U.S and European emission levels than any technical need .South Africa dosent have any emissions testing after the car is sold ,nor do we have low temps below zero .Some winter evenings may drop to freezing but thats all.

Re: Kia oil grades [Re: wymi516] #4613049
12/24/17 12:36 PM
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South Africa
Matt97 Offline OP
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South Africa
This was the 1400cc G4FA engine .Nice little engine .

Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613053
12/24/17 12:41 PM
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New England
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I have the exact same car. The owner's manual says 5w-20 for best fuel economy but 5w-30 or 10w-30 per the temperature chart. I think 10w-30 was okay to around 0 F. Used 5w-20 for the first 60K miles. Then switched to 5 or 10w-30 depending on season. Coming up on 105K miles and no problems yet.


1993 Ford E350 5.8L, 68K
2002 Ford E150 4.2L, 85K
2006 Chevy Aveo 1.6L 215K
2013 Kia Reo 1.4L, 101K
7500 OCI, M1 5-30 winter, M1 10-30 summer
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: NibbanaBanana] #4613057
12/24/17 12:44 PM
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South Africa
Matt97 Offline OP
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Think we are just following the overseas recomendation .Those temps are unheard of here .

Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613065
12/24/17 12:54 PM
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Waco, TX
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Originally Posted By: Matt97
Just replaced a timing chain on a Kia Rio 2013 model with 60 000km on the clock .No idea why it failed at that mileage.?


Sounds like bad metallurgy ... or poor heat treating of the steel links cry sick


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613156
12/24/17 02:35 PM
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Slovenia EU
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As far as I know only 1.6 engine has timing chain problem (actually it is more tensioner problem).... 1.4 engines doesnt have that ptoblem!

I have the same engine in Hy i30... Service put in 10w40 shell helix hx7 10w40.... I am putting in ultra 5w40

If you need manuals.... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ab08ggf3fov1ur6/AAAJTZkFWJaavLEox8HDnxn3a?dl=0


2008 Toyota Yaris 1ND-TV 1.4 D4-D Elf FullTech FE 5w30
1997 Toyota Landcruiser KZJ95 3.0 TD Shell Rimula R6M 10w40
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613217
12/24/17 03:53 PM
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Down Under
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Originally Posted By: Matt97
Car was a year out of warranty ,Kia not interested .Tensioner was on max adjustment and the inlet cam had jumped about 5 teeth due to the slack chain .


Some people here say "Always follow the owners manual .... Do you know more than the engineer who designed the vehicle ?"

Then somebody like you has a cam chain that skip 5 teeth. Did the engineer design it to do that ? I don't think so.

For me, three things protect cam chains
- Regular oil changes
- High viscosity to resist shear
- High ZDDP zinc to coat and protect the chain metal

I would consider:

A mixed fleet HDEO 15W40 mineral like Delo, Delvac, Rimula / Rotella etc

A Euro grade (A3/B4) 40 grade oil as either a synthetic (0W40, 5W40) or a semi-synthetic (10W40). These 40 grade Euro oils have about 1000 ppm Zinc, which is 200-300 ppm more than a typical ILSAC oil.

Here is a VOA from the Russian Oil Club for Shell Helix HX7 10W40, it shows 1039 ppm zinc. It's a very common and affordable oil in both Europe and Australia, not sure about South Africa. (ROC HX7 VOA)

BTW Ford like a lot of zinc to protect their cam chains too. The Ford 913-C/D oil spec is high zinc and it's the world spec for many Ford cars (eg the Mustang in Australia). But being the world spec, everybody uses it, except North America, since ( I assume) it has too zinc in it and so must be classified as an API SL oil, not SN, and they seem to have a problem with that. It's an A5/B5 oil, which is a higher standard and will do me fine.

Anyway, probably more than half the cars in Australia, of all makes and models, run on 15W40 mineral or 10W40 semi-synthetic oil. It works fine. Something to consider.


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Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613318
12/24/17 06:44 PM
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E. Tennessee
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E. Tennessee
I'm running an aggressive ECU tune with reasonable mods (intake/exhaust) on my 2.0L turbo with 0W-40 oil since new. No issues whatsoever.
I started out (since new) running M1 (Euro) 0W-40 oil and have switched to Castrol Edge (Euro) 0W-40 oil. My OCI is ~5K miles.


His: '12 Kia Optima SX - 2.0L GDI Twin-Scroll Turbo [Tuned] (76K)
>EDGE 0W-40, Fram XG9688
Her's: '14 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - 2.5L NA (75K)
>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613348
12/24/17 07:21 PM
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Georgia
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Georgia
Man, what a let down. Here in the USA the warranty would have covered the repair. KIA’s warranty in the USA is 5 years or 60,000 miles bumper to bumper and 10 years or 100,000 miles on the power train. Castrol Magnatec 5W40 or equivalents.


2013 KIA Optima EX 2.4L. Now: QSUD 5W30 & STP S2808ML
2017 Ford Escape SE 2.0T Now: Mobil 1 5W30 & NAPA Gold 1348
Re: Kia oil grades [Re: Matt97] #4613362
12/24/17 07:53 PM
12/24/17 07:53 PM
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Kendall, FL
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I don't think we do anyone any favors by blaming oil viscosity, metallurgy or anything else based on what little information we have here. Blanket statements based on anecdotes are dubious as well. wink


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A + e air WIX10335
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W30 + FRAM XG9688 + e air WIX49670

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