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Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic #4612263
12/23/17 03:01 PM
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Hello!

I have a Ford-New-Holland 4430 orchard tractor (100% made by Fiat) that keeps getting water in the tranny. Did a complete flush last year (multiple rinse with diesel).

So far this time, I have fill and drained the transmission twice with diesel (and driving the tractor around the barn to mix it up). Keeps getting out milky as ...!!

I am sure that 47 rinse cycles will fix it but I would like to reduce the time and expense.

Any suggestion that would speed up this process?

And no, no water get in through the shifter boots. It has a cab. The fill opening is threaded good and tight. Can't figure out where all that water is coming from... grr.


Francis

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612267
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Maybe add some alcohol to the fluid?


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Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Chris142] #4612273
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Yes, forgot to mention it. I did add some Methyl Hydrate in the second flush...

There are some many nooks and crannys in those castings... Did I mentionned the FOUR drain plugs?

aaargh.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612279
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Are you sure that it is water? I heard a tractor tech suggest to a customer to let the tractor sit so that the water would separate to the bottom. Then just drain off the water after they added some contaminated fluid. Personally, I would just drain it, change the filters and refill it with good oil and let it ride.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612287
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Once the water is emulsified it will not separate for a long time.

The problem is taht there is enough water in the oil that it freeze over and jams the pump, the loader valve, etc.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612354
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Does the trans cooler go through the radiator? Wild guess.


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Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612360
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Get some PCV and insert a couple of rolls of toilet paper in one end and plug the centers. Stand it up and pour the hydraulic fluid down through the pipe, through the TP and into a clean catch pan. Water will not pass through. Just be patient, it will take some time.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612385
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Originally Posted By: Francis4344
Once the water is emulsified it will not separate for a long time.

The problem is taht there is enough water in the oil that it freeze over and jams the pump, the loader valve, etc.

I just don't see how it is possible that there could be that much water left after a flush. Unless there is a leaking oil cooler like mentioned above.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: AVB] #4612405
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It's a tractor guys, no oil cooler! Big tranny. 10 gallons of oil. After Christmas, I will get back to it. More diesel, more flushing.

I was hoping for a miracle product/technique that wolud help grab/adsorb/coalesce the water, short of putting a boiler under the tractor to boil it off! smile

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612468
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Head over on here. There Is it separate section for each make and I’m sure somebody there Will know exactly what you’re dealing with. It sounds pretty odd to me that you keep flushing this thing and keep coming up with more water. Are you sure it’s not coming in somewhere ??? That water continuously showing up just doesn’t seem right with the conditions you’re describing. Have you tried calling the Ford dealer and talking to the mechanic or counter guy? Sometimes they know the little oddities a particular models that you wont readily hear about because after all they probably seen it before .

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612495
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Originally Posted By: Francis4344
Once the water is emulsified it will not separate for a long time. .


How many gallons?

I use a turkey fryer burner to heat a large can (4-5 gallons at a time) - with an oil fryer thermometer.

Once you hit 250*F - all the water will be gone and the oil will look perfect again.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612666
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Accidentally submerged a motorcycle once. Once extracted the crankcase was pretty full of water. Used what ever clean plastic bottles we could find to hold the contaminated oil. Then cooked it a couple of cups at a time over a small camp stove.

Rode the bike out. It was fine.

Rod

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Francis4344] #4612777
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1) How fast does the fluid get contaminated?
2) How often does the tractor get used? (I'm guessing a lot.)

I'm wondering, depending on those 2 factors, if you could just keep two sets of trans fluid: one in the tractor and one in jugs in the barn, separating out naturally. The water should fall to the bottom within a week.

Obviously the first thing to do is diagnose the water intrusion or start talking to other 4430 owners online.

Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Ethan1] #4614527
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Originally Posted By: Ethan1

I'm wondering, depending on those 2 factors, if you could just keep two sets of trans fluid: one in the tractor and one in jugs in the barn, separating out naturally. The water should fall to the bottom within a week.


Nope.

Not in hydraulic fluid - it gets emulsified and STAYS that way.

Only heat will boil the water out.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Removing water from tractor transmission-hydaulic [Re: Linctex] #4615314
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Ethan1

I'm wondering, depending on those 2 factors, if you could just keep two sets of trans fluid: one in the tractor and one in jugs in the barn, separating out naturally. The water should fall to the bottom within a week.


Nope.

Not in hydraulic fluid - it gets emulsified and STAYS that way.

Only heat will boil the water out.

Hydraulic specification-oils demulsifies, unlike engine oils that emulsifies.
Ethan1 could be right.

Last edited by zeng; 12/27/17 02:57 AM.
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