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#4612260 - 12/23/17 01:52 PM Shifting Times
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Registered: 09/21/10
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We all witness a lasting trend of more and more gears in the modern automatics.
Name a vehicle you had 5-10 years ago that could have been much better with 6 to 10 gears
Id start with a Hummer H3 the 4L60e was not ideal for an I5 and 4.56 gears
What say you?

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#4612272 - 12/23/17 02:11 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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My 69 chevelle was a 3 on the tree. I liked it. The new semi trucks are using 8,9 and 10 speeds. 40+ yrs ago they had more gears.4x4,5x4 and 13speeds were the norm
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#4612284 - 12/23/17 02:33 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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How about the 1963 Chevy I learned to drive in? Had the slush matic of the times....two forward speeds.
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#4612290 - 12/23/17 02:47 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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The Chevy in my sig would be much nicer with at least a 6 speed auto as would the Jag.
Wouldn't mind a six or seven speed(manual)for the Mustang either!
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#4612292 - 12/23/17 02:55 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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I think unless you have a high strung, high rpm NA engine, the more gears thing isn't doing much for you in normal driving. I wish my manuals had a top gear set up mileage, instead I do many of my passes without down shifting...
It does help with mileage and is a slight performance boost, so I guess that's why we see more many geared automatics.
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#4612293 - 12/23/17 02:57 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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My ti has a 3.45 rear gear set with a close ratio five speed; 5th gear is 1.1. I'd like a 4.11 rear set with a six speed with 6th being a .80 overdrive.
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#4612303 - 12/23/17 03:19 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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I feel like my 2002 2500HD could benefit from the current 6 speed auto.

I always felt the old 4 speed in my 3800 cars was good, just could have been beefed up a bit.
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#4612307 - 12/23/17 03:27 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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I can go back into the sixties. Three on the tree was still common. The influx of Japanese vehicles changed the notion of the column shift to the floor shift. As for automatics, 3 speeds were mainstream for quite some time.

Did older cars have different gear ratios, especially in the rear end? My recollection is that gears were held longer then compared to today. Granted, fuel economy plays a role in the quick upshifts today but perhaps there is more to the story.

My dad always taught me to wind up the motors, meaning getting rpms up high before shifting. He was a truck driver so that certainly played a part in his opinion but todays transmissions are so fast to upshift there is not much chance of winding up the engines unless you are doing it manually, either with a manual or automatic if able.


This has the makings of a great thread.

Ps: to keep on track with the general gist of this thread, more gears mean nothing if the upshifts are happening quickly.



Edited by PimTac (12/23/17 03:29 PM)
Edit Reason: To clarify my thoughts.
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#4612320 - 12/23/17 03:53 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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The '54 Chevy my parents bought new and much later gave me as my first car had a 3.70 axle ratio, along with the standard 3-speed manual and 235 cubic inch "Stove Bolt" I6. That meant about 3000 revs/mile, which was handy for slogging through mud or climbing steepish hills without downshifting, but way too low for relaxed cruising on good roads. It needed the then-optional overdrive.

Typical for small cars of its day, my '72 Subaru was geared very low, with 4.02 overall ratio. Even with a 1267 cc engine, it could've used a 5th gear for cruising. Five-speeds came a few years later, as exemplified by my Mazda.
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#4612379 - 12/23/17 05:05 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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My scooter has one gear, that's all it needs. 5 speeds was a good step for motorcycles, there was normally a big gap between 2nd and 3rd to have a smaller gap between 3rd and 4th, with 5 speeds thay are better spaced out. 6 gears are just more to change, and I don't like the 6 speed manual utes either, too m uch gear changing. The older 4 speed trucks (Bedfords etc, not pickups) had a crawler 1st gear with a huge gap to 2nd, scream the engine out in 1st, and then try to get it into 2nd...on a cold morning they often used to stall on the 1 2 shift.
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#4612390 - 12/23/17 05:25 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: CR94]
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Originally Posted By: CR94
The '54 Chevy my parents bought new and much later gave me as my first car had a 3.70 axle ratio, along with the standard 3-speed manual and 235 cubic inch "Stove Bolt" I6. That meant about 3000 revs/mile, which was handy for slogging through mud or climbing steepish hills without downshifting, but way too low for relaxed cruising on good roads. It needed the then-optional overdrive.

Typical for small cars of its day, my '72 Subaru was geared very low, with 4.02 overall ratio. Even with a 1267 cc engine, it could've used a 5th gear for cruising. Five-speeds came a few years later, as exemplified by my Mazda.



This is part of my thinking. Cars are being geared higher for fuel economy so would that pushed the need for more gears. Also what I see is a 1:1 ratio not at the high gear but further back. Since overdrive was considered anything beyond 1:1 I am seeing OD gearing at the top two speeds. Coupled with smaller engines makes more gears a necessity. Of course there is a limit of value. 6-7-8 speeds may be the sweet spot. A 10 speed might be playing on the idea that more is better.
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#4612409 - 12/23/17 05:55 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: PimTac]
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My 1974 Fiat X 1/9 turned 4000 rpm at 60 mph. It certainly would have been nice to have had a 5th gear...
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#4612462 - 12/23/17 07:09 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: bcossa2001]
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My '61 Ford Fairlane had a 3.0 rear end and a Cruise-o-matic transmission which had two D positions so you had a choice of either two or three forward gears. It performed fine.


Edited by ffhdriver (12/23/17 07:15 PM)

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#4612504 - 12/23/17 08:08 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: 4WD]
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1st was sometimes an option - on the early Mercedes (finny) autos it only went into 1st when you went full throttle. On my 1993 Nissan Laurel there was a switch on the consol that said ''slow'', when it was on it locked out 1st and took off in 2nd. My 1954 Austin A40 pickup had a sticker on the quarter window - do not use 1st gear. It had a low ratio rear end that put 2nd nearly where 1st was in the car, if you used 1st it would just go bang! and wind the diff and springs up.
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#4612512 - 12/23/17 08:16 PM Re: Shifting Times [Re: Silk]
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Silk
The older 4 speed trucks (Bedfords etc, not pickups) had a crawler 1st gear with a huge gap to 2nd, scream the engine out in 1st, and then try to get it into 2nd...on a cold morning they often used to stall on the 1 2 shift.


I've got a "granny low" NP-435 behind a 3.9L-4BTA Cummins in a F-350 with 3.55's.
1st is about worthless, so I usually just take off in 2nd.

The jump between 3rd and 4th is HORRIBLE - I have to get to 3000 RPM in 3rd before trying to get in 4th.

My old Harley Shovel 4 speed was worthless around town - 2nd rev'd too high, 3rd lugged. My 1988 Softail is MUCH better - all 5 seems evenly spaced.
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