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Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content #4611281
12/22/17 02:22 PM
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Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content requirement [by 2020]
FRED LUM/THE GLOBE AND MAIL
SHAWN MCCARTHY
OTTAWA
UPDATED NOVEMBER 30, 2017

Folks,

This is a statement of intent to change the ONTARIO regulation to require more ethanol in gasoline fuel. It’s still a long way from becoming an industry requirement.

As you may know, the typical industry approach to satisfy the current 5% requirement is with 10% ethanol in Regular (E10), 0% ethanol in Premium (E0) and 5% in Midgrade (E5) since it’s blended 50%-50% from the others.

Refiners would likely have to make significant investments to upgrade their ‘pots and pans’ to make the new blend fuel to mix with a higher level of ethanol, but the fuel systems in most cars today are compatible with up to 15% of ethanol in gasoline fuel.

I thought you’d like to know.


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611286
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Ugh. Why?

Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611298
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I didn't see the original reply Uphill but I bet it had something to do with Premier Wynne wink

Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611301
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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611303
12/22/17 02:44 PM
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UHm I'm pretty sure Toyota says not to use E15.


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611342
12/22/17 03:20 PM
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Oh god no!


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611348
12/22/17 03:25 PM
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I think I'm going to be writing my MPP. Queens Park has been a clown show since, well, Bill Davis...

Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611360
12/22/17 03:34 PM
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Any more than 10% is harmful to a lot of stuff, why go there ...

Well, one reason is to force older equipment off the road, out of the yard ...


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: CT8] #4611398
12/22/17 03:58 PM
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I can't say for Ontario for sure, but this province doesn't have much of an ethanol lobby, if any. Without getting political, it just seems that some regulators and legislators just latch onto something for the appearances of it.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611447
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Wait.. where's all the shale?


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611455
12/22/17 05:11 PM
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so I dont see this 15% thing anywhere..

article says 10% in fuel

and current use is 7-8%? in regular grade.

Also almost all Car manufacturers are against anything over 10% ethanol in non flex-fuel vehicles.


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611458
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Not that it matters but in November the CGSB (who sets the fuel standards for Canada) approved an updated version of their 3.511 standard to include blends of E0-E10 and E11-E15. They also approved a standard for mid level 20-25% ethanol blends for FFV's. The ethanol lobby guys had a lot to do with both of those changes.

Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: Rand] #4611459
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Originally Posted By: Rand


Also almost all Car manufacturers are against anything over 10% ethanol in non flex-fuel vehicles.


Most cars from 2010 onwards can handle up to E15 - so says the OEM's in said CGSB committee.

Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: LaszloToth] #4611512
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Classic Ontario!! More fuel to the fire as they circle the toilet.


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Re: Ontario to double gasoline’s ethanol content [Re: BrianF] #4611656
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Originally Posted By: BrianF
Classic Ontario!! More fuel to the fire as they circle the toilet.
Ya, can't flush the redcoats down the toilet soon enough. The damage inflicted here will take decades to repair or reverse.


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