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New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? #4609206
12/20/17 10:28 AM
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VW just started recommending 0w20 for their 2018 new body tiguans 2.0 tsi gen3b. just curious to know if anyone has any info on this oil yet or is it too new. i know vw is pretty strict when it comes to their oil standards





Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609208
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https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/01597AB5857A941F8025814E00388823/$File/BPXE-ANWVMT.pdf

11.1 Noack...meh

Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609213
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How about that... an HTHS of 2.61 for a Euro Turbo. 'Blasphemy' wink



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13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W30 + FRAM XG9688 + e air WIX49670

Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: wemay] #4609215
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Originally Posted By: wemay
How about that... an HTHS of 2.61 for a Euro Turbo. 'Blasphemy' wink

LOL

Goodbye ACEA A3/B4. smile


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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4609219
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Originally Posted By: Speak2Mountain
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/01597AB5857A941F8025814E00388823/$File/BPXE-ANWVMT.pdf11.1 Noack...meh


Not the same oil there you cited. This new stuff is VW 508/509 approved, and the "LL IV FE" name sounds and looks similar to BMW's 0w20 LL 14 FE (aka, it could be BMW "LL XIV FE"...) spec, but not the same of course in this case. Just VW specs here.

I guess some of the above posters are assuming the VW 508/509 0w20 is the same stuff as Castrol's other SN GF-5 0w20, but this is probably slightly upgraded from that.

What's interesting is VW has now followed BMW into 0w20 territory. Inevitable I guess.


Here is the correct basic spec sheet:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/42BECEC5087FDB8D802580DC0066C8C9/$File/BPXE-AKE6LY.pdf

Notice Pour Point dropped about 20 degC, so, yes, this LL IV FE formula probably uses more PAO in the base oil to get that.

Last edited by oil_film_movies; 12/20/17 10:59 AM.
Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4609225
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Speak2Mountain
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/01597AB5857A941F8025814E00388823/$File/BPXE-ANWVMT.pdf11.1 Noack...meh


Not the same oil there you cited. This new stuff is VW 508/509 approved, and the "LL IV FE" name sounds and looks similar to BMW's 0w20 LL 14 FE (aka, it could be BMW "LL XIV FE"...) spec, but not the same of course in this case. Just VW specs here.

How about this one:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/Fusio...BPXE-AKE6LY.pdf

But it is funny that they named this VW spec-compliant oil "LL IV" which sounds like BMW LL-04, as you pointed out.



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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609229
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Thanks for clearing up that confusion oil_film_movies.

And there is still this...

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/edge/ge525021qdsp/



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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609243
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All the previous discussions about BMW now going to LL01FE 0w30 and/or LL14FE 0w20 low HTHS oils apply here. Re-hash all that.
There was some BMW dealer tech who was saying they rarely use xw40 oils anymore. All 0w20 or 0w30 HTHS 2.6-3.0 oils now.
Now VW trending there too.
Yes, even in BMW and VW turbo engines now.

Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4609278
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
All the previous discussions about BMW now going to LL01FE 0w30 and/or LL14FE 0w20 low HTHS oils apply here. Re-hash all that.
There was some BMW dealer tech who was saying they rarely use xw40 oils anymore. All 0w20 or 0w30 HTHS 2.6-3.0 oils now.
Now VW trending there too.
Yes, even in BMW and VW turbo engines now.


What I thought was interesting is my GTI gets the same mileage as our Sonata, both have similar HP output, one is forced induction (GTI) yet yield the same MPG's. One uses 5w20 the other 0w40 (what I use manual states 5w40 or 502 approved).

So does the weight of the oil really matter for MPG's? Or are they dropping weight for another reason?

Curious on this.


Jeff


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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609282
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I'll check back in a year and see if they change it to a 30 grade like Ford did with some of their engines calling for a 20 grade oil. hide


God Bless Our Troops

Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4609296
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
What I thought was interesting is my GTI gets the same mileage as our Sonata, both have similar HP output, one is forced induction (GTI) yet yield the same MPG's. One uses 5w20 the other 0w40 (what I use manual states 5w40 or 502 approved).

Put some 0w-20 in your GTI and and let us know if your MPG improves. smile


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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4609301
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX

What I thought was interesting is my GTI gets the same mileage as our Sonata, both have similar HP output, one is forced induction (GTI) yet yield the same MPG's. One uses 5w20 the other 0w40 (what I use manual states 5w40 or 502 approved).

So does the weight of the oil really matter for MPG's? Or are they dropping weight for another reason?

Curious on this.


Jeff


Your GTI and Sonata have very different size, weight, gear ratio, tires. Not an apple to apple comparison.

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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: dedonderosa] #4609330
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That's silly, 0w20 in a VW? Sounds like they are trying to get some CAFE bucks back to make up for all they paid out in diesel-gate.

They could back spec them to 0w40 later and give CAFE the bird once again. laugh

Incidentally, every single vehicle I have had first hand experience with (quite a few now many different makes) that was given a steady 20 grade diet has developed consumption...some as early as 25 to 30k miles. Now how is THAT saving any resources?


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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: KCJeep] #4609378
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
That's silly, 0w20 in a VW? Sounds like they are trying to get some CAFE bucks back to make up for all they paid out in diesel-gate.

They could back spec them to 0w40 later and give CAFE the bird once again. laugh

Incidentally, every single vehicle I have had first hand experience with (quite a few now many different makes) that was given a steady 20 grade diet has developed consumption...some as early as 25 to 30k miles. Now how is THAT saving any resources?


Bingo, my guess is they end up changing the spec.


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Re: New 0w20 from castrol? any info on it? [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4609384
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
All the previous discussions about BMW now going to LL01FE 0w30 and/or LL14FE 0w20 low HTHS oils apply here. Re-hash all that.
There was some BMW dealer tech who was saying they rarely use xw40 oils anymore. All 0w20 or 0w30 HTHS 2.6-3.0 oils now.
Now VW trending there too.
Yes, even in BMW and VW turbo engines now.


What I thought was interesting is my GTI gets the same mileage as our Sonata, both have similar HP output, one is forced induction (GTI) yet yield the same MPG's. One uses 5w20 the other 0w40 (what I use manual states 5w40 or 502 approved).

So does the weight of the oil really matter for MPG's? Or are they dropping weight for another reason?

Curious on this.


Jeff


Two very different vehicles to be comparing if weight makes a difference because one uses 20 and the other, 40. wink


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A + e air WIX10335
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W30 + FRAM XG9688 + e air WIX49670

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