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So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... #4608687
12/19/17 08:49 PM
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1. the Alexa app needed every single permission on the phone, contacts, gps, wifi connection info, you name it. If there were a permission for what size underwear I own, it would have snapped that up as well.

2. The Alexa app took my phone battery down to 30% from 60% in just over an hour of diddling around with it.

3. The license agreement seems to hint at Amazon taking ownership of all your interactions with Echo Dot (Alexa) like voice records etc, as well as everything te app gleans from your phone. But then Google and Apple do that with phone voice activation data too so oh well.

Not sure the thing will be that useful, I like gadgets-- have to see. Time will tell. Kind of feels like I've willfully installed a form of 24/7 surveillance eavesdropping in my house that reports my every utterance to Amazon !! I guess I did ... LoL !!!

George Orwell would've probably had something to say about all this ... laugh




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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608707
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I hear you on all that.. I use mine for music, my nest thermostat, weather, sports scores..
and random other things..

Plan on installing 2-5 smart outlets for lights etc as well.

still debating the privacy thing but ... is it any worse than google and gmail?


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608734
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Thought about getting one but I talk in so many dialects out of order that it wouldnt pick it all out. Reminds me of 17 time zones in Russia and everyone struggles to understand and revert back to English or French.


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608746
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It's an evolving technology. Every month they add new functionality. I use mine for music in the shower.

In the kitchen while cooking, helps me a lot (Alexa how many tablespoons in half a cup?).

I use the grocery list (Alexa add milk and bread to grocery list)

Or text the wife and ask when she will be home.


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608766
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Not sure if the Echo Dot can do as much as the full featured Alexa. It does have these things called skills I can add from the android app, I just added a news feed besides the default Reuters. Wasn't showing on my router's dhcp client list until I set up an IP reservation for it by MAC id, now it shows as amazon-98****a56 connected.

Hoping the app will lighten up on my phone's power reserves a little, I'd like to use the thing some but don't want my battery having the life sucked out of it so bad.



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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608794
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Be careful! Key words and Commericals can activate them!




Respectfully,

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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608880
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You know it will be weird when you start talking about getting a new bbq grill next spring and a minute later a bbq grill commercial comes on your Amazon tv.


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608889
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I find it most convenient in the kitchen too. Easy to set multiple timers, easy to figure out measurement conversions. Music is good on low volume. Some annoying settings I haven't been able to figure out.

Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608951
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It's a Trojan Horse, and I mean that in the traditional sense of the phrase, not the invented sense of computer malware.

You invite it into your home, and the payload then emerges.

The entire purpose is to get you to buy stuff from Amazon that you would normally just get at the local retail store (bathroom tissue, maybe?), which, if you leave the thing in your home, sooner or later you will. Secondly it wants to amass data about you and everyone else (anonomyzed? so what?) to further that commercial dominance over any and all resellers of anything and all.


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608968
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Technology is begining to give me the creeps.
Monday I was AT TSC looking at the clearance filters. Pulled 2 ph3614 off the shelf and a ph8172. I decided to wait till after the holidays and I put them back.
Later that day, an amazon add for Fram tough guard filters shows up in my facebook news feed. I never googled anything or snapped a pic or even uttered the words oil filter.


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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4608990
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
George Orwell would've probably had something to say about all this ... laugh


We're probably closer to Aldous Huxley's vision. Throw the Echo in the garbage. Even gizmodo, a website which exists to make money from gadget recommendations, has published an editorial against the privacy abuses of these little $50 internet microphones.

Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4609016
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
The license agreement seems to hint at Amazon taking ownership of all your interactions with Echo Dot (Alexa) like voice records etc, as well as everything te app gleans from your phone. ... Kind of feels like I've willfully installed a form of 24/7 surveillance eavesdropping in my house that reports my every utterance to Amazon !! I guess I did ... LoL !!!
George Orwell would've probably had something to say about all this ... laugh


Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: Soggydog] #4609021
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
You know it will be weird when you start talking about getting a new bbq grill next spring and a minute later a bbq grill commercial comes on your Amazon tv.


Yes, that's the whole idea.

SMART TV"s SEND INFO ABOUT YOU OUT AS WELL!!!

Originally Posted By: Soggydog

Later that day, an amazon add for Fram tough guard filters shows up in my facebook news feed. I never googled anything or snapped a pic or even uttered the words oil filter.


That was just a coincidence, but maybe because you visit BITOG


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4609025
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
1. the Alexa app needed every single permission on the phone, contacts, gps, wifi connection info, you name it. If there were a permission for what size underwear I own, it would have snapped that up as well.

2. The Alexa app took my phone battery down to 30% from 60% in just over an hour of diddling around with it.

3. The license agreement seems to hint at Amazon taking ownership of all your interactions with Echo Dot (Alexa) like voice records etc, as well as everything te app gleans from your phone. But then Google and Apple do that with phone voice activation data too so oh well.

Not sure the thing will be that useful, I like gadgets-- have to see. Time will tell. Kind of feels like I've willfully installed a form of 24/7 surveillance eavesdropping in my house that reports my every utterance to Amazon !! I guess I did ... LoL !!!

George Orwell would've probably had something to say about all this ... laugh



:o)
AS you know I have a lot to say most times, but rushing to work.
I work with technology everyday, I love it, love electronics, networks, routers etc.

BUT, I am anti google this, google that, google everything.
I think its all crazy, people EVERYDAY turning their entire LIVES AND PERSONAL information over to google, apple, etc.

1. People allow google to scan all their emails (so they can get free email) in gmail so google can make money off selling you ads.

2. People allow google to track EVERY SINGLE movement and location they travel to so Google can make money selling ads to you based on your location.
Many people do not know, google has a history of EVERY SINGLE PLACE YOU TRAVELED since you signed up for your gmail account on your andriod device, EVERY signal location you have been to with your phone is available to ANYONE who knows your gmail address and passwork (or hacks your account) Went to dinner last night, your location and time is right there on google.

3. Through "free" google services, google now knows how much you spend on energy for your home, it knows who is home and when, EVERY SINGLE aspect of people lives is now on line and available to google and anyone who hacks it.

4. Its much like prostitution. People give away every single aspect of their personal lives to google and in return google gives you free services.

( I could go on and on, but lucky for you all, I have to get to work*LOL*)

I truly wonder how many people know, if they go into ANYONES gmail account, they can look at every single place you have traveled to for the last few years with your cell phone, every place! Time, date and location!!!! Geez!!!
E-V-E-R-Y place your phone has been to. Time, location complete with map! You can even search the map for dates and times!
Google is now the parent and you are the dog on a leash!



Looking at some of these comments, people are ok with it, because instead of setting a kitchen timer, they can have google do it! *LOL*




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Re: So was given an Amazon Echo Dot for Early Xmas ... [Re: LoneRanger] #4609151
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LoneRanger Offline OP
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Um... about #4. I can has Free Services in 'vegas? whistle



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