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Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? #4607501
12/18/17 06:26 PM
12/18/17 06:26 PM
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Ontario, Canada
wing0 Offline OP
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I hope this isn't a repost or anything.
Noticed this only because I got a new order of fram ultra filters to refill stock.

When did they change from 15 to 20k?
Anything changed in the filter at all, does it mean I can use my old batch up to 20k miles?


Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607509
12/18/17 06:41 PM
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Got this early October



Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607555
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I asked the same question a few months back when the change (from 15 to 20K recommendation) occurred and I was told that the filter has NOT changed...only the recommendation because Fram was conservative with a 15K recommendation.


'Journalism is Dead'
Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607560
12/18/17 07:30 PM
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Recommendations don't mean anything. The warranty/guarantee is what counts.
Fram Warranty here
http://www.fram.com/media/62425/2015_FramWarranty_EN.pdf

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607607
12/18/17 08:10 PM
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Yup, the 15k to 20k change was nothing to do with any changes, just further testing showed that 15k was conservative.

From what I have seen, an Ultra could be used almost indefinitely on a clean running engine.

If I drove more, I may try one for a 30k run, but that would take me ~4 years at my current driving (plus I have a bunch of other clearance filters to use up first).


'12 Scion xB: QSUD 0w20/CQ Blue/5k
'02 F150: GTX HM 5w20/EcoGard Syn/1yr
'94 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w40/PSL/5k
'04 F150: GTX HM 5w20/TG2/4k
'07 Vue: VSP 5w30/D+/OLM
'10 Santa Fe: PP 0w20/P1/8k

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607609
12/18/17 08:12 PM
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Fram Ultra can go 3 OCI's and 20K miles.

I just installed one on my mom's car, she does 4K miles per year so this will be on her car for 5 years.

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: Mr Nice] #4607636
12/18/17 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Fram Ultra can go 3 OCI's and 20K miles.

I just installed one on my mom's car, she does 4K miles per year so this will be on her car for 5 years.

Just make sure you give the filter a twist on every OCI or you'll need tools to remove it. My CRV filter is a pain to reach and even for 1 year and 24k km, I've had to use a strap wrench to get it off if I forgot to loosen and tighten it on the middle change.


07 Focus ZXW, 5spd manual, 218km M1 5W30
18 Outback 2.5 CVT 15km 0W20
Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607799
12/19/17 01:35 AM
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Mobil did the same thing with their filters - appended A to the model numbers and upped it to 20k miles. Filters look and feel identical.


2010 Ford Escape 2.5 ~90K Miles - Royal Purple 5W-30, Wix Filter, 7K OCI.
1995 Chevy Silverado 5.7 ~ 267K Miles - Unknown Oil, Just Purchased, 3K OCI.
Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: dogememe] #4607828
12/19/17 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: dogememe
Mobil did the same thing with their filters - appended A to the model numbers and upped it to 20k miles. Filters look and feel identical.

There must be a difference in the media between the "A suffix" and non-A suffix Mobil 1 filters. Wonder if they just put more media in the A suffix filters to increase the holding capacity. Part numbers typically don't change unless there is actually a difference in configuration.

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607857
12/19/17 06:24 AM
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Are you guys using the filter for multiple OCIs due to
- laziness
- convenience
- cost savings?

I guess I donít see the point when filters are so cheap and engines are not.

Last edited by rsylvstr; 12/19/17 06:25 AM.

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Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607914
12/19/17 07:58 AM
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Cost savings and some cars oil filter removal makes a big mess.

I had a Mobil 1 oil filter on my dad's Honda for 5 years and 15K miles.
Doom and gloom of filter getting clogged is hog wash.

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: rsylvstr] #4607931
12/19/17 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Are you guys using the filter for multiple OCIs due to
- laziness
- convenience
- cost savings?

I guess I donít see the point when filters are so cheap and engines are not.


Iffy lube started it wil the 3000 mile oil / filter change. not based on science


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: rsylvstr] #4607952
12/19/17 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Are you guys using the filter for multiple OCIs due to
- laziness
- convenience
- cost savings?

I guess I donít see the point when filters are so cheap and engines are not.
+1


I can't prevent getting old but I REFUSE to grow up.
2010 Mountaineer 4.0
2002 Jeep Wrangler TJ 4.0
Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607970
12/19/17 09:37 AM
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Tennessee
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Fram and Purolator are heavy, very heavy, on the box marketing. Who can attract the shopper to put the box in their cart, wins. Have to take the marketing as such, sales hype.
Cut open filter and look at it. If think it's OK to run longer do it, if not don't do it according to personal preference. As far as I know freedom of preference is still allowed.

Re: Fram Ultra 15k to 20k rating? [Re: wing0] #4607972
12/19/17 09:41 AM
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What about time wise will a Fram Ultra media start to break down or fall apart from hot and cold cycles or fuel in the oil over time? Is it recommended for more then a year in service?

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