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#4607043 - 12/18/17 09:51 AM Fram Ultra Startup ticks.
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Registered: 02/18/11
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Loc: Hudson, NH
I'm a long time Fram Ultra user on multiple vehicles including the truck in sig. After experimenting with many different oils and filters, it "seems like" this truck is happiest, quietest with Mobil 1 EP. Always used a FU so i didn't give that a thought. 2 oil changes ago I picked up a noise similar to a mild piston slap approx 5 seconds after startup. This was right after the oil change. I figured its age of the engine, and that piston slap or some mild ticking is common on these engines. But not this particular engine. She's always been quiet at startup. I had been wanting to use the Fram TG on the shelf at some point, so I tried a hot swap half way through the OCI. Noise gone!!! I assumed it was coincidence, my beloved Ultra could not be the cause of the startup delayed noise. So, went back to the Ultra last oil change. The noise came back, ughhh. Can't be the filter, this makes no sense. Bought another TG and installed it on yesterdays oil change. Gone again!!. Quiet as a mouse. So, I guess I will be using the TG for now on.

No autopsy, but I did take some pics of the FU freshly removed from the truck after a 6800 mile (OLM 2% left) OCI. I also took a similar pic of the TG that went in and was quiet. Anybody see anything unusual? I usually check filters after an OCI, don't remember seeing so much screen covering the holes..



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#4607060 - 12/18/17 10:10 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
Bobbb Offline


Registered: 12/01/13
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Loc: Ca
The ultra is a thick looking filter. There has to be some restriction. This is in your 6.0L? What's the ultra filter number you were using?

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#4607064 - 12/18/17 10:15 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
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Registered: 11/23/16
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I had the same issue with an Ultra on my Liberty. Had a TG, loved it, figured why not try the Ultra and it was a little knocky. Then put a Wix on and it was quiet again, then a TG now and it's quiet.
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#4607067 - 12/18/17 10:18 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: Bobbb]
LeakySeals Offline


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Originally Posted By: Bobbb
The ultra is a thick looking filter. There has to be some restriction. This is in your 6.0L? What's the ultra filter number you were using?

Yes the 6.0L. XG3506
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#4607077 - 12/18/17 10:23 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
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Join the TG dark side >:]

Have TGs on every vehicle and equipment at the house.
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#4607084 - 12/18/17 10:31 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
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LOl. Yup. Weird seeing that grey can on there. Also worth mentioning, I changed the oil a few hours after operation and there was still plenty of oil ahead of the filter, so I don't think its an ADBV issue.
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#4607097 - 12/18/17 10:45 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
HoosierJeeper Offline


Registered: 11/23/16
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I didn't think it was either, I just think they filter so well that the flow is a bit less. I'd rather have more flow and I'm still in the one OCI=one filter camp, so really a waste of money to run an Ultra for me.
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#4607106 - 12/18/17 10:52 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
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Registered: 09/26/02
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So much for those that donít believe tighter filtration = less flow....
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#4607110 - 12/18/17 10:57 AM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: Propflux01]
tig1 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Propflux01
So much for those that don’t believe tighter filtration = less flow....


That's one reason I only use MC filters on my Fords.
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#4607276 - 12/18/17 01:20 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: Propflux01]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17781
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Propflux01
So much for those that donít believe tighter filtration = less flow....

So much for those that don't understand how a positive displacement oiling system works. smile

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#4607290 - 12/18/17 01:35 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17781
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
So, went back to the Ultra last oil change. The noise came back, ughhh. Can't be the filter, this makes no sense. Bought another TG and installed it on yesterdays oil change. Gone again!!. Quiet as a mouse. So, I guess I will be using the TG for now on.

Are you making these conclusions based on what you're hearing on 1st start-up right after a filter change, or are you hearing start-up noise at every start-up days after making the filter change?

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#4607319 - 12/18/17 02:00 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
The Fram TG doesn't have metal end caps if I remember correctly.

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#4607330 - 12/18/17 02:14 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
MetalSlug Offline


Registered: 07/24/10
Posts: 2636
Loc: vicksburg ms
why not try different brand like wix mobil 1, not big fan of anything fram made accept ultra.
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#4607369 - 12/18/17 02:50 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: LeakySeals]
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I had a similar issue (knocking noise for about 3 seconds at cold startup) with the Fram Ultra. I switched to WIX XP; noise was gone.
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#4607499 - 12/18/17 05:23 PM Re: Fram Ultra Startup ticks. [Re: ZeeOSix]
Propflux01 Online   crying


Registered: 09/26/02
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Propflux01
So much for those that donít believe tighter filtration = less flow....

So much for those that don't understand how a positive displacement oiling system works. smile


Then so much for the OP's (and others on this post) ticking noises. I am sure they are simply a figment of imagination, not possibly caused by a FRAM UG filter...
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