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Centrifugal Oil Filter #4604958
12/15/17 10:15 PM
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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4604960
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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4604995
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I use to work at a bike shop way back when while going to school. A lot of smaller cc dirt bikes only had a pick-up screen (no oil filter) , but they had a centripetal oil cleaner that you could take apart and there was always some collected crud inside like you see in the video.

Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: ZeeOSix] #4605002
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I use to work at a bike shop way back when while going to school. A lot of smaller cc dirt bikes only had a pick-up screen (no oil filter) , but they had a centripetal oil cleaner that you could take apart and there was always some collected crud inside like you see in the video.


Cool... I hadn't heard of it until recently.


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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605039
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Looks like this can be set up for under 400 bucks (the one in the video is $2k on eBay crzy) , seems like a good bypass filtration option.


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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605040
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Incredible items, but a pain to set up on most small trucks.

Don't know how well the Cummins ones work, but people who have had the Spinner reported finding little to nothing in the can, as well as some very lackluster UOA's.


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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605052
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I thought these were only found on big trucks and boats, due to the cost. I have never run into one personally.

Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605053
12/16/17 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I use to work at a bike shop way back when while going to school. A lot of smaller cc dirt bikes only had a pick-up screen (no oil filter) , but they had a centripetal oil cleaner that you could take apart and there was always some collected crud inside like you see in the video.


Cool... I hadn't heard of it until recently.


Standard on small motorcycles here, which nearly all use Honda CB or CG clone engines.

Cleaning them out is not-so-standard. I'd bet money it is never done in most cases.

OTOH the scooters mostly don't have centrifugal (or any) filtration (so clearly its lack isn't rapidly fatal) but they don't have a shared sump/wet clutch setup either.

Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: Ducked] #4605057
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I use to work at a bike shop way back when while going to school. A lot of smaller cc dirt bikes only had a pick-up screen (no oil filter) , but they had a centripetal oil cleaner that you could take apart and there was always some collected crud inside like you see in the video.

Cool... I hadn't heard of it until recently.

Standard on small motorcycles here, which nearly all use Honda CB or CG clone engines.

Cleaning them out is not-so-standard. I'd bet money it is never done in most cases.

OTOH the scooters mostly don't have centrifugal (or any) filtration (so clearly its lack isn't rapidly fatal) but they don't have a shared sump/wet clutch setup either.


I doubt many people even know some bike engines have a centrifugal filter. The ones I worked on had screws or sometimes a big circlip that had to be removed to in order to pop the cover off. Usually did find a thick layer of caked on debris that had to be cleaned out.

Example:

Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605149
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PPE makes ones for Dmaxes, that could probably easily be converted to other apps, for under $500.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605157
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We had several Freightliner M2 trucks with the Mercedes engine in them that utilized a centrifuge filter. They consistently had better oil analysis numbers than our Cummins engines with an OCI double that of the Cummins. Same type of service, same oil, same brand of oil filters.


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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605169
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I had a Honda Super 90 that had this kind of filter. I don't see how it would be better than a Frantz or Trasko that filter down to submicron particles, and take out water. It's good, but better? Not unless it spins out water and coolant.

Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605201
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After talking with Terry on the subject he informs me he has done testing in the past and that some of these early ones were so efficient they took additives right out of the oil. Remember he used to work for Cummins. wink

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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605203
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
After talking with Terry on the subject he informs me he has done testing in the past and that some of these early ones were so efficient they took additives right out of the oil. Remember he used to work for Cummins. wink

Can you post the correspondence? I'd like to see the reasoning of how any centrifuge could remove molecular compounds.


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Re: Centrifugal Oil Filter [Re: StevieC] #4605219
12/16/17 09:42 AM
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I can't because it's tangled in my UOA analysis report dialogue I have going back/forth with Terry which is proprietary and confidential but there is nothing stopping you from using his paid service which allows you to ask all the questions you want once you are a customer and bound by the same terms.

I'm not blowing smoke, I really am not allowed to share the correspondence as it is a term of his service to protect the way he does analysis. You can ask anyone here who also uses his service.

Sorry.


Edit: Here is proof that I discussed it with him. The exact wording I can't post.



Last edited by StevieC; 12/16/17 09:49 AM.

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