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#4603723 - 12/14/17 05:45 PM FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
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Loc: Southwest PA
Good evening gentlemen.

Posting this FRAM ultra for member Curtis Newton. Came off of a 2004 Lexus RX330 AWD with v-6 engine. Said he started vehicle one day and knocking for few seconds and shut vehicle off. Then re started and knocking went away.

Filter looks ok to be. Filter had 6,500 miles and the PP had around 3,000 miles

Enjoy the pics smile













The dent was from Curtis removing filter and smooshed media is from me prying on media and can to remove element


Edited by car51 (12/14/17 05:47 PM)
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#4603731 - 12/14/17 05:56 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
bbhero Offline


Registered: 03/20/15
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Looks very stout there Captain. Good job here man. I am running the orange can on my car for 9600 miles.
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#4603735 - 12/14/17 06:00 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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Thanks car51 for cutting open and posting the filter. Was hoping the anti-drain back valve was damaged. Seeing it cut open, sure wish I knew what that knocking noise was on our RX330. Changed over to WIX XP for this current run.
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#4603736 - 12/14/17 06:00 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
car51 Offline


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Thanks Captain. Bit chilly here past few days and 4” snow overnight here so I was busy today smile
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#4603737 - 12/14/17 06:01 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: newtoncd8]
car51 Offline


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Originally Posted By: newtoncd8
Thanks car51 for cutting open and posting the filter. Sure wish I knew what that knocking noise was on our RX330. Changed over to WIX XP for this current run.


You are welcome sir smile
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#4603759 - 12/14/17 06:29 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: newtoncd8]
bbhero Offline


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I had a Fram Ultra with 0 oil in it on my lady's Camry. It is angled downward but I have had Carquest red filter which was totally full in the same circumstance. Regular Wix did good as well.

Car51 I wish we would've gotten 4 inches of snow here today. We just missed out on that amount of snow last Friday into Saturday... By 25 miles north and west saw 4-5 inches.
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#4603791 - 12/14/17 06:55 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: bbhero]
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
I had a Fram Ultra with 0 oil in it on my lady's Camry. It is angled downward but I have had Carquest red filter which was totally full in the same circumstance. Regular Wix did good as well.


I have no proof, but based upon the noise, I have to believe the Fram Ultra filter that I pulled off and sent to car51 was similar to your experience. On our RX330, the filter is also angled down. The noise was pretty concerning and I have used (mostly) OEM, Fram Ultra and Wix; that was the first time I have ever heard the knocking noise. It may filter 20 microns @ 99%, but that noise isn't something I can deal with.
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#4603803 - 12/14/17 07:09 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: newtoncd8]
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Yeah I agree with you on that man. I couldn't deal with that kind of circumstance as well. I have a STP XL on there now made by Daewa. It has been just fine this whole time.
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#4603822 - 12/14/17 07:39 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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Knocking sounds like the clue to ditch the FRAM. There are many other choices. Motorcraft FL-910s or FL-400s. Bosch, WIX 51348 NAPA Gold 1348. The STP XL looks like a well constructed filter.
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#4603888 - 12/14/17 08:41 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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What would cause filter knock? Too restrictive?
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#4603902 - 12/14/17 08:54 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
What would cause filter knock? Too restrictive?


Possibly the oil drained out overnight.
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#4603942 - 12/14/17 09:49 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: Linctex]
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
What would cause filter knock? Too restrictive?


Possibly the oil drained out overnight.


Yep, most likely leaky ADBV.

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#4603947 - 12/14/17 09:52 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: newtoncd8]
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Registered: 07/22/10
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Originally Posted By: newtoncd8
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I had a Fram Ultra with 0 oil in it on my lady's Camry. It is angled downward but I have had Carquest red filter which was totally full in the same circumstance. Regular Wix did good as well.


I have no proof, but based upon the noise, I have to believe the Fram Ultra filter that I pulled off and sent to car51 was similar to your experience. On our RX330, the filter is also angled down. The noise was pretty concerning and I have used (mostly) OEM, Fram Ultra and Wix; that was the first time I have ever heard the knocking noise. It may filter 20 microns @ 99%, but that noise isn't something I can deal with.


Question: Do you change your own oil? If so, do you ever hear any engine noises on first start-up with a new dry oil filter installed? That scenario mimics a filter that has leaked down due to a bad ADBV. Some vehicles are sensitive to the filter and galleries draining out, some aren't. None of my vehicles ever make any engine noises on first start-up after an oil change with a new dry filter installed.

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#4603972 - 12/14/17 10:20 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
jongies3 Offline


Registered: 03/11/16
Posts: 795
Loc: MT
I have slight startup noise on cold mornings regardless of what filter I use, I'm not worried about it.
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#4604008 - 12/14/17 11:30 PM Re: FRAM ULTRA 3614, 6,500 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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I ran a Fram Ultra once after being extremely happy with a TG on my Liberty and it knocked a bit too. No idea why but I took it off after a 100 miles and put a Wix on and it was fine. Now running another TG and it's perfect. Not sure why it reacted badly to the Ultra, but I'm a once filter/one OCI guy so a TG is 110% adequate for a 5k interval.
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