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Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor #4602685
12/13/17 03:25 PM
12/13/17 03:25 PM
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Clovis, CA
Merkava_4 Offline OP
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Quote:
What are the symptoms of a bad oxygen sensor?
Symptoms of a Bad Oxygen Sensor:
When you have a bad oxygen sensor, your vehicle will run less efficiently, it can sometimes have a poor idle, erratic jerking at steady throttle, hard starting problems, cause the check engine light to come on, and will cause high fuel consumption.


Quote:
How do you know if your oxygen sensor is bad?
Check this list to see if it's time to replace YOUR vehicle's oxygen sensors:
Sudden decrease in fuel mileage....
Flashing check engine light or malfunction indicator lamp in the vehicle?s dash board....
Failure to pass smog....
Overall poor vehicle performance; rough idling, stalling, hesitation on acceleration, etc.


2000 Buick LeSabre
My fuel mileage has been pegged at 17.1 mpg for several months now. When I first bought the car when it was only 5 years old, fuel mileage was pegged at 19.6 mpg. Some websites recommend changing the oxygen sensor every 100k. The car now has over 131k and is still on the original upstream and downstream oxygen sensors. Idle quality is not super smooth and fuel mileage is down. No scanner to check fuel trims, so if I replaced the upstream oxygen sensor, it would be based on a hunch and the above info.

Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602692
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out there
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I have picked up mileage on cars past 100k by changing the upstream sensors. Not a huge change but say 1.5-2mpg.


13 elantra 72k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche 80k synpwr 5w30
17 mazda cx-5 7300 miles m1 0w30
Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: spasm3] #4602693
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Merkava_4 Offline OP
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spasm3 - Did your engine's idle quality smooth out too ?

Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602697
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Could just be the winter fuel blend decrease in mpg you're noticing. See if the car still has the same mileage next June.

Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602698
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1) "It's always the front one" uncredited quote

2) A neighbor with a V-6 @ 135mpg had all replaced when one threw a code.
She thought her garage an honest one.

3) My front O2 sensor went out and saw a measured 20% drop in mileage.
Your's fell 13%.

CONCLUSION: I don't know.

edit: spasm, 1.5 - 2 mpg AIN'T SMALL.

Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602704
12/13/17 03:43 PM
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If there is an NTK sensor for it cheap, buy that. The spark plug company NGK make them.
You can test them with an oscilloscope.
http://www.sixityauto.com/ngk-ntk-oxygen...AiABEgJxi_D_BwE


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Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: SatinSilver] #4602705
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Could just be the winter fuel blend decrease in mpg you're noticing. See if the car still has the same mileage next June.


True.

Or it could be a lazy O2 sensor needing replacement.

Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Mr Nice] #4602718
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Could just be the winter fuel blend decrease in mpg you're noticing. See if the car still has the same mileage next June.


True.

Or it could be a lazy O2 sensor needing replacement.


Or it could be dragging brakes, low tire pressure, the OP gaining weight with the holidays approaching. All sorts of things to ponder. But for $40 not a bad price for a quality part. The same NTK front 02 sensor on the Matrix runs $280. But if it was AWD the price would be around $80. crazy


Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602736
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You're from California. The best way to see if your O2 is working is to look at your SMOG test result. High CO, HC, NoX and you should just try a new O2. I think most cars are $20-30 from Rockauto these days. It is worth replacing as a preventive maintenance once in a while (i.e. every 100k or so).


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Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602744
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you can test an O2 sensor with a voltmeter. A good one will dither between .2 and .9 rapidly. If it is slow to change or doesn't change , it is NG.


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Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602757
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Based on some of your posts, you should invest in an oxygen sensor in the cabin of the vehicle

j/k.


2004 Prius; 102K; ASL
2007 Yaris 78K 0w-40 Castrol
2006 B2300;132K;ALM


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Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602772
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Any codes? I wait to replace till I get a code.


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Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602781
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out there
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
spasm3 - Did your engine's idle quality smooth out too ?


No, no change, there was no idle issue for me. I just replaced them due to mileage. It was an 03 ford escape v-6 with 130k at the time.


13 elantra 72k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche 80k synpwr 5w30
17 mazda cx-5 7300 miles m1 0w30
Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602792
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I replaced 3 out of 4 in the first six months of owning my E150. At AZ's recommendation after they scanned it for me. Every couple months I'd get a CEL. They'd scan it and recommend an O2 sensor. Did some more research after the CEL came on again. Changed the isolator bolts. It's been working for a few years now. Have a feeling I didn't need to change those O2 sensors.

Replaced the downstream in the Aveo after the scan read low voltage. After that failed to fix it I found a very small crack in the exhaust right below the sensor. Replaced the exhaust pipe and everything was fine.

Replaced one in a 1990 Dodge B250 that was bad.

Ran 185K and 186K miles on two Geo metros and never a problem with the O2 sensors.

That's my experience with O2 sensors.


1993 Ford E350 5.8L, 68K
2002 Ford E150 4.2L, 85K
2006 Chevy Aveo 1.6L 215K
2013 Kia Reo 1.4L, 101K
7500 OCI, M1 5-30 winter, M1 10-30 summer
Re: Toying with the idea of Replacing Oxygen Sensor [Re: Merkava_4] #4602823
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Merk, if you have money you want to throw away I'll PM you my address.


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