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Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? #4601644
12/12/17 02:14 PM
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TheMidnightNarwh Offline OP
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Hey

So when it colder outside my car when I start it will do this knock/tick noise and go away after a few seconds. Here is a video showing off perfectly where you can clearly hear it. You also hear some kind of pulley or belt noise after, maybe it's related? But if I recall correctly the noise your hear after wasn't there before. Thanks! Car is a 2006 Hyundai Tucson with 180k KM (123K Miles). I checked the engine oil and it was replaced about a 2 month ago.

https://youtu.be/i68yMZhA1jc


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Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601660
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All the cars ive had lately sound like they are going to fall apart when cold started. Wifes Subaru, My rogue whatever. Funny the Subaru was pretty quiet with factory fill and factory filter, Not so with Idemitsu and the Framaroo Blue OE service filter. It quiets when warm. The Idemitsu seems t hold up well hot.


2014 Nissan Rogue S CVT, OC#9 41392mi-QSUD10W30 + M110A CHAMP Filter; 2017 Subaru Crosstrek CVT OC#2 ?? mi-SOA/Idemitsu 0w20 + SOA Filter
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601661
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What filter and oil brand/grade are you using.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601670
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its stops within seconds !!
i don't think its anything to worry about, as asked before what weight of oil and filter are you using.


2006 kia spectra.
2010 pontiac vibe.
2012 mustang coupe.
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601675
12/12/17 02:39 PM
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My 2010 Ford Ranger 2.3 had a very loud tick for 45'ish seconds, sounded like forever, with Motorcraft FL-910S oil filter and Castrol Magnatec 5W20. I changed to a FRAM 3600 with same oil. Zero start up tick. From reading on here most of start up noises are 99.9% oil filter related.



Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601693
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My 04 sonata has had a tick like that for 200000 miles with the filter on the bottom of the motor just above the oil pan mounted horizontally your going to have some oil draing back i have run it with bosch or wix filters and qsgb or citgo supergard 5w30 since new


07 Ford Freestyle 135K
04 Hyundai Sonata 280K
03 Hyundai Santa Fe 165K
02 Ford Tarus 98K
00 Buick Regal SC 135K
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Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: SHOZ] #4601711
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
What filter and oil brand/grade are you using.


Oil is 5w-20. Filter and oil brand don't know, Midas did the oil change, car was just given to me after that.

Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: ARCOgraphite] #4601715
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
All the cars ive had lately sound like they are going to fall apart when cold started. Wifes Subaru, My rogue whatever. Funny the Subaru was pretty quiet with factory fill and factory filter, Not so with Idemitsu and the Framaroo Blue OE service filter. It quiets when warm. The Idemitsu seems t hold up well hot.


I was told there may be a bulletin about non OEM filter doing this. You guys think it's this? I preferably won't be rehanging my oil and filter until next year so.

It shouldn't do any damage or anything?

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Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601724
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I doubt if Midas uses a high quality filter.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601732
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My daughter reported having a hard time cold starting her car after my wife took it to Midas (against my will) for an oil change...I checked that the oil level was OK and then noticed that the oil filter was a very small brand X. I took it off (top mount is nice) and found that it didn't have an ADBV, then put on a spare filter I had around that was a Mazda branded Tokyo Roki that is apparently identical to Subaru's factory filter on the cars built in Japan.

Nary a starting complaint since...I certainly don't have proof, but I suspect the cheap filter was the issue.


2014 Forester XT, 86000 miles
Last Change;
M1 5W30 d1G2
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4601741
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
My daughter reported having a hard time cold starting her car after my wife took it to Midas (against my will) for an oil change...I checked that the oil level was OK and then noticed that the oil filter was a very small brand X. I took it off (top mount is nice) and found that it didn't have an ADBV, then put on a spare filter I had around that was a Mazda branded Tokyo Roki that is apparently identical to Subaru's factory filter on the cars built in Japan.

Nary a starting complaint since...I certainly don't have proof, but I suspect the cheap filter was the issue.

[censored] uh, I figured it wouldn't be optimal to go someplace like that. I'll keep it this way for now, might do an oil change after winter and change that filter, it's under the car horizontally... anyhow I might buy myself a car when summer comes so I'll see.

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Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601770
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Originally Posted By: TheMidnightNarwh
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
My daughter reported having a hard time cold starting her car after my wife took it to Midas (against my will) for an oil change...I checked that the oil level was OK and then noticed that the oil filter was a very small brand X. I took it off (top mount is nice) and found that it didn't have an ADBV, then put on a spare filter I had around that was a Mazda branded Tokyo Roki that is apparently identical to Subaru's factory filter on the cars built in Japan.

Nary a starting complaint since...I certainly don't have proof, but I suspect the cheap filter was the issue.

[censored] uh, I figured it wouldn't be optimal to go someplace like that. I'll keep it this way for now, might do an oil change after winter and change that filter, it's under the car horizontally... anyhow I might buy myself a car when summer comes so I'll see.



Mounted horizontally, probably oil draining out of filter...JMHO but i'd change out the filter ,knowing that filter might be defective or no anti drain valve...


Pete.
97 Ford Expl.Sport 4.0 ohv 4wd 5spddrive184k miles
Last Change;
Penn. Plat. HM. 5w30
Fram xg8a, Fram CA8141

I like my oil (slippery).

Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601790
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The next time you change the oil use a Hyundai/Kia 26300-35503 or 26300-35504, or a Mann W811/80 (Mann's after market version of the 26300-35504) filter.


2015 Hyundai Elantra Sport 2.0 GDI Mobil 1 5W20 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T Castrol Edge 5W40 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601866
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Mine did it last winter and spring, then went away now its back to once in a while since October. It lasts a few secs to about 1 or 2 mins when it does happen which is once in a while. I went from napa silver, to gold to a baldwin but nothing changed. I run 30 or 20w full syn oil.


2001 Honda civic HX vtecE- 5 spd,232k+
Re: Need help with cold start noise - cause to worry? [Re: TheMidnightNarwh] #4601964
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But I'm curious, what makes the noise? What is the technical explanation? Is it because it's missing oil or..?

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